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Old 05-20-2008, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Nanaimo, Canada
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Which is limited by the available space. Trees being the climax community in seral stages actively stop all forms of competition and biodiversity by stopping the sunlight from reaching the ground.
Umm....

This may have been mentioned before, but....

The sunlight may not reach the ground, but trees most certainly do *not* stop competition or biodiversity -- a good sixty or seventy percent of life in the rainforest is actually *on top* of the rainforest canopy, ar at the very least, --near-- the canopy. We barely ever get up there.

Researchers have been saying for decades and centuries now that cures for our worst diseases may very well be up there, but we can't get up that high easily and safely.

Destroying the trees to spur the growth below actually does signifigant damage to the forest biome, and might hinder our *own* progression as a species.
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Old 05-20-2008, 01:20 PM
 
Location: DC Area, for now
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Umm....

This may have been mentioned before, but....

The sunlight may not reach the ground, but trees most certainly do *not* stop competition or biodiversity -- a good sixty or seventy percent of life in the rainforest is actually *on top* of the rainforest canopy, ar at the very least, --near-- the canopy. We barely ever get up there.

Researchers have been saying for decades and centuries now that cures for our worst diseases may very well be up there, but we can't get up that high easily and safely.

Destroying the trees to spur the growth below actually does signifigant damage to the forest biome, and might hinder our *own* progression as a species.
True, but some trees and some plants do produce an herbicide to keep down the competition for nutrients. Black Walnuts do this, pines do, so does the creosote bush and the tobacco plant.
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Old 05-20-2008, 10:40 PM
 
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I come from a family of hunters and yes we have deer heads on the wall but we also eat what we kill. and if it wasn't for hunting the animal populations would be out of control because some of these animals multiply way to fast for just the other animal preditors to be able to keep up. plus by not hunting we would just be contributing to animal dieses and to starvation and suffering of animals. in case some of you haven't noticed if you don't keep the animal population down they start comming into cities and creating havock and car accidents. plus by not hunting we are letting the animal population get out of control and pretty soon there would be no grass or foliage and alot of starving animals which would lose weight and when the other preditors would go in for the kill there wouldn't be much for them to eat cause there isn't much left of an animal that has starved to death. It is just the circle of life and nothing more nothing less.
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Old 05-20-2008, 11:12 PM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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It is just the circle of life and nothing more nothing less.
The problem is that human society has no place for nature, simply because we do not behave like the other animals.
Modern man always takes more than he needs because he has to make a profit. In nature there is no concept of profit simply because taking more than you need will in the end only lead to self-destruction.
The fact that animal population grow out of control is because we have killed off all the other predators and already have disturbed the natural balance of nature. The truth about wild animals entering our cities is because we keep destroying their natural habitat. We keep converting nature into cities or farmland.
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Old 05-21-2008, 12:26 AM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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Originally Posted by ali&ajsmom The problem is that human society has no place for nature, simply because we do not behave like the other animals.
Modern man always takes more than he needs because he has to make a profit. In nature there is no concept of profit simply because taking more than you need will in the end only lead to self-destruction.
Your impression of nature is not accurate, most predators take more than they need, which is why raptors, and scavengers clean up after them.
Then the insects, microbes and bacterias etc.... they also clean up after us.
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The fact that animal population grow out of control is because we have killed off all the other predators and already have disturbed the natural balance of nature. The truth about wild animals entering our cities is because we keep destroying their natural habitat. We keep converting nature into cities or farmland.
We have a 5% footprint on this continent, that leaves 95% for the animals....

godspeed,

freedom
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Old 05-21-2008, 12:35 AM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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Your impression of nature is not accurate, most predators take more than they need, which is why raptors, and scavengers clean up after them.
If they truly could take more than they need we would only have one species of everything.
We humans wage 'religious' wars so we can continue to keep taking more than we need.

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We have a 5% footprint on this continent
Be that as it may, but in order to keep McDonalds going all year long we need to keep converting rain forests into farm lands (destroy our natural habitat) in order to keep up with the demand for hamburgers.
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Old 05-21-2008, 06:14 AM
 
Location: DC Area, for now
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We have a 5% footprint on this continent, that leaves 95% for the animals....

godspeed,

freedom
Where does this figure come from? All you have to do is take a cross country flight and look down to see the human footprint is huge. What do think farms are? Completely bogus statement.
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Old 05-21-2008, 06:20 AM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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Where does this figure come from? All you have to do is take a cross country flight and look down to see the human footprint is huge. What do think farms are? Completely bogus statement.
I guess the majority of the people see farmland as natural while they definitely are not.
Farming is as natural as rape is an act of love.
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Old 05-21-2008, 10:44 AM
 
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Originally Posted by TesajeI guess the majority of the people see farmland as natural while they definitely are not.
Farming is as natural as rape is an act of love.

if it wasn't for the farmers where would you get your milk from, wheat, corn, beef, pork and ect......

didn't the indians hunt? and teach the pilgrims how to survive?

yes there are some hunters that should not be able to hunt but they do. and do you really think that if a preditor kills that it eats all of its kill! NOPE!!! it gets left for the scavengers and what doesn't get eaten is left to decay! I really love venison and my deer skin gloves that I use on my farm!
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Old 05-21-2008, 12:20 PM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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Originally Posted by ali&ajsmom
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if it wasn't for the farmers where would you get your milk from, wheat, corn, beef, pork and ect......
Farming is exactly like rape; like a rapists reduces his victim to just an object of his desire, we treat our farm animals and our farm land like 'machines' instead of living beings.

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and do you really think that if a preditor kills that it eats all of its kill! NOPE!!! it gets left for the scavengers and what doesn't get eaten is left to decay!
Yet the greatest difference between natural predators and humans is that animals don't see hunting has a 'job' or 'hobby'.
It is only a way to survive and not a way of making profit.
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