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Rock and roll is the thing that really helped bring the races together in the 20th century in America. But the fact that conservative Christians, even today, have always had such a negative view of rock music, really bothers me. It makes me question everything about the core Christian faith. The charismatic/Pentecostal churches had an enormous influence on rock music, and they are another thing that has been always criticized by conservative Christians. But music had a tremendous influence on Civil Rights in the US.
Are you a conservative Christian? Do you support this kind of thinking? Do you think that early rock and roll was music of the Devil?
It's rather interesting......I watched a vid. exploring how US Christianity, while it originally denounced Rock (1) as Un American...sorry, Un - Christian...Satanic, Immoral and should be eschewed by all Godfearing families, saw very clearly how it had grabbed the kids and the young like nothing the Church could compete with. So they decided, if they couldn't beat it, they should join it. Or rather - as they do anything else - Hi Jack it and produce a cheap trashy counterfeit os such cynicism that the Chinese could only shake their heads in admiring envy.
Some deconverts say that Some Christian rock is pretty good. Don't ask me, I'm a Bruckner man but the vid I watched had an interesting line that Christianity (I do not know who is directing this policy) of getting Christian bands and singers to pick a particular popular singer or band and become "The Christian Mick Moaner" or "Christian Saggypants".
A lot of it was considered Dire, but then a lot of Pop and Rock is too, and only the best 10% is up to par - and the same is true of "Classical" music, too. So that there is a lot of Christian crap -music about is no shame to them. The point is not that it is Poor, but that it is trying to produce a watered -down version of rock and pop that would ...not so much bring the Rock -lovin' kids into Church... but trying not to drive them away with dismal doleful dirges.
And of course the young Christians, moaning through #There is a green Hill' and feeling like taking an aspirin overdose, might just get up with their out of tune accoustic guitar (2) and a mike with howling feedback and sing a pop or rock -song about "Lurve" but with "Jeezuz" instead of "Bay-bee".
And if you sat through that, sit back, pour another beer and enjoy the vid. If I can find it.
No...but this (by a Christian, not an unbeliever) is worth a watch.
And I'd better leave it to you poppers and rockers as frankly this is not my music even if largely secular. I find it plastic, commercial, repetitive, lacking in variety, originaity and Soul. If it is selling a Christian message, I want to Puke.
(1) Soul-gospel not being the same problem as Blacks frankly brought their 'Pop' music into the church right from the start.
(2) amazing how often amateur accoustic rockers don't seem to have their instrument in tune.
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It's rather interesting......I watched a vid. exploring how US Christianity, while it originally denounced Rock (1) as Un American...sorry, Un - Christian...Satanic, Immoral and should be eschewed by all Godfearing families, saw very clearly how it had grabbed the kids and the young like nothing the Church could compete with. So they decided, if they couldn't beat it, they should join it. Or rather - as they do anything else - Hi Jack it and produce a cheap trashy counterfeit os such cynicism that the Chinese could only shake their heads in admiring envy.
Some deconverts say that Some Christian rock is pretty good. Don't ask me, I'm a Bruckner man but the vid I watched had an interesting line that Christianity (I do not know who is directing this policy) of getting Christian bands and singers to pick a particular popular singer or band and become "The Christian Mick Moaner" or "Christian Saggypants".
A lot of it was considered Dire, but then a lot of Pop and Rock is too, and only the best 10% is up to par - and the same is true of "Classical" music, too. So that there is a lot of Christian crap -music about is no shame to them. The point is not that it is Poor, but that it is trying to produce a watered -down version of rock and pop that would ...not so much bring the Rock -lovin' kids into Church... but trying not to drive them away with dismal doleful dirges.
And of course the young Christians, moaning through #There is a green Hill' and feeling like taking an aspirin overdose, might just get up with their out of tune accoustic guitar (2) and a mike with howling feedback and sing a pop or rock -song about "Lurve" but with "Jeezuz" instead of "Bay-bee".
And if you sat through that, sit back, pour another beer and enjoy the vid. If I can find it.
(1) Soul-gospel not being the same problem as Blacks frankly brought their 'Pop' music into the church right from the start.
(2) amazing how often amateur accoustic rockers don't seem to have their instrument in tune.
There is a video like that from a former Christian youth pastor turned atheist. It was called How Christianity Steals Everything, or something like that.
The charismatic churches were sort of "fringe" in the 1950s and producing this great spiritual music. Then the rock music it inspired was being watered down and repackaged for the more conservative American church kids by Christian artists by the late 1970s.
Nowadays the American evangelical churches are becoming a little more charismatic and crazy. And I actually think that's a good thing. America is still not as liberated as people in England and Europe in many ways. (British 1960's rock and roll bands had already repackaged and resold American R&B that American kids in the 1960's hadn't appreciated yet.)
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Rock and roll is the thing that really helped bring the races together in the 20th century in America. But the fact that conservative Christians, even today, have always had such a negative view of rock music, really bothers me. It makes me question everything about the core Christian faith. The charismatic/Pentecostal churches had an enormous influence on rock music, and they are another thing that has been always criticized by conservative Christians. But music had a tremendous influence on Civil Rights in the US.
Are you a conservative Christian? Do you support this kind of thinking? Do you think that early rock and roll was music of the Devil?
Fundamentalist opposition to the the burgeoning of rock and roll during the Civil Rights era was was simply coincidental. Fundamentalists are reactionaries. Of course they were going to despise rock and roll. The fact that they enjoyed both record-burning and cross-burning was merely who they were - opposed to both change and liberty for everyone except the white male establishment.
Also, Civil Rights were won by an extraordinary amount of blood, sweat and tears - not by guitar solos.
There is a video like that from a former Christian youth pastor turned atheist. It was called How Christianity Steals Everything, or something like that.
The charismatic churches were sort of "fringe" in the 1950s and producing this great spiritual music. Then the rock music it inspired was being watered down and repackaged for the more conservative American church kids by Christian artists by the late 1970s.
Nowadays the American evangelical churches are becoming a little more charismatic and crazy. And I actually think that's a good thing. America is still not as liberated as people in England and Europe in many ways. (British 1960's rock and roll bands had already repackaged and resold American R&B that American kids in the 1960's hadn't appreciated yet.)
Yea, like they co-opted Judaism and our Torah and claimed to be replacements of the Jews...
Rock and roll is the thing that really helped bring the races together in the 20th century in America. But the fact that conservative Christians, even today, have always had such a negative view of rock music, really bothers me. It makes me question everything about the core Christian faith. The charismatic/Pentecostal churches had an enormous influence on rock music, and they are another thing that has been always criticized by conservative Christians. But music had a tremendous influence on Civil Rights in the US.
Are you a conservative Christian? Do you support this kind of thinking? Do you think that early rock and roll was music of the Devil?
I was present to witness the beginnings of rock and roll. So I believe that I know a thing or two about the subject. Is genuine rock music evil? Or, conversely, is Christian pop/rock holy? Is it even worth listening to?
There is a video like that from a former Christian youth pastor turned atheist. It was called How Christianity Steals Everything, or something like that.
The charismatic churches were sort of "fringe" in the 1950s and producing this great spiritual music. Then the rock music it inspired was being watered down and repackaged for the more conservative American church kids by Christian artists by the late 1970s.
Nowadays the American evangelical churches are becoming a little more charismatic and crazy. And I actually think that's a good thing. America is still not as liberated as people in England and Europe in many ways. (British 1960's rock and roll bands had already repackaged and resold American R&B that American kids in the 1960's hadn't appreciated yet.)
Yes. That may be the vid. I watched. It mentioned a singer who eventually quit Christian music as she wanted to have her own identity and not be cast as the "Christian version of..." Maria Carey or some other singer
Yes. That may be the vid. I watched. It mentioned a singer who eventually quit Christian music as she wanted to have her own identity and not be cast as the "Christian version of..." Maria Carey or some other singer
I was present to witness the beginnings of rock and roll. So I believe that I know a thing or two about the subject. Is genuine rock music evil? Or, conversely, is Christian pop/rock holy? Is it even worth listening to?
Let's draw a direct comparison.
Now, draw an informed conclusion.
Nice.
But seriously, I think many people would find Jumpin Jack Flash to be the more uplifting song. It's message is very uplifting in my opinion.
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...I watched a vid. exploring how US Christianity, while it originally denounced Rock (1) as Un American...sorry, Un - Christian...Satanic, Immoral and should be eschewed by all Godfearing families, saw very clearly how it had grabbed the kids and the young like nothing the Church could compete with. So they decided, if they couldn't beat it, they should join it. Or rather - as they do anything else - Hi Jack it and produce a cheap trashy counterfeit os such cynicism that the Chinese could only shake their heads in admiring envy.
but the vid I watched had an interesting line that Christianity (I do not know who is directing this policy) of getting Christian bands and singers to pick a particular popular singer or band and become "The Christian Mick Moaner" or "Christian Saggypants". 
but trying not to drive them away with dismal doleful dirges. 