Isaiah 53 Is *NOT* About Jesus. In Fact, *NONE* of Isaiah Is About Jesus (Apostle, believe)
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Originally Posted by BaptistFundie View Post
As I pointed out, there are apostles that disagree. I take their word for it over you.
Come to Jesus, Richard. Come to your Messiah.
Richard:
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What Apostles?
Exactly. Nobody ever told Fundie that the apostles didn't even exist if we're looking at history. There's not a single mention made of them in the historic record. Fiction, just like most of Christianity. 12 apostles = twelve zodiacs. This has been common knowledge for some time to everybody....except Fundie, that is:
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The Sign of Aries is Saint Peter, the Sign of Taurus is Saint Simon, the Sign of Gemini is Saint James, the Sign of Cancer is Saint Andrew, the Sign of Leo is Saint John, the Sign of Virgo is Saint Philip, the Sign of Libra is Saint Bartholomew, the Sign of Scorpio is Saint Thomas, the Sign of Sagittarius is Saint James the Great, the Sign of Capricorn is Saint Matthew, the Sign of Aquarius is Saint Jude Thaddaeus, and the Sign of Pisces is Saint Matthias who replaced Judas Iscariot.
It was a shameless emotional appeal to brainwash yourself. It must look wonderful to the believer, perhaps inspiring to those who aren't sure, but who had a Christian pump-priming. But to those who know better, it stinks.
What makes one think that a Jew living today has any more of a clue than the Jews of 2000 years ago that lived the faith?
Jews today who have the writings and teachings of the Jews of 2000 years ago who lived the faith. We use those to inform of us of what the rules and expectations were and are.
Either Isaiah 53 is about Jesus, or the story of Jesus was in part invented out of Isaiah 53.
Mmmh, tough one.
Not really - Isaiah wrote about what was going on in his day. God, who is ultimately responsible for all biblical content, included similarities to what would happen to Christ and His death in the future.
People, who read Isaiah 53 after the death of Christ, noticed the similarities of what Isaiah wrote and what happened to Christ.
Jews today who have the writings and teachings of the Jews of 2000 years ago who lived the faith. We use those to inform of us of what the rules and expectations were and are.
So Jews today can better understand it than Christians who also have the writings of Jews who lived 2000 years ago and lived the faith?
Is that what you're going with? If so, that sounds racist to me.
Not really - Isaiah wrote about what was going on in his day. God, who is ultimately responsible for all biblical content, included similarities to what would happen to Christ and His death in the future.
People, who read Isaiah 53 after the death of Christ, noticed the similarities of what Isaiah wrote and what happened to Christ.
Or the story of Jesus is partly invented out of the Old Testament.
So Jews today can better understand it than Christians who also have the writings of Jews who lived 2000 years ago and lived the faith?
Is that what you're going with? If so, that sounds racist to me.
First, what race do you have in mind?
Second, Christians do NOT have the writings of the Jews, or at least, they choose not to use them. If that's their choice then how is that any -ist? Is it easier to call names and apply labels than to look at the facts?
Matthew. Mark. Peter. Paul. Although not an apostle, Luke was a contemporary.
No verifiable evidence for your apostles.
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