Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
And it never dawned on you or Christians in general that this policy of "God wants only faith" was put in place 1800 years ago by men who, when asked to produce just a little evidence that all the stories circulating about Jesus were true, couldn't produce any and so their only default position was to say, "You don't need evidence, only faith."
So at the end of the day you have faith in Jesus without evidence and I cannot believe in Jesus because there is no evidence. Where does that leave us, except for me to believe you're a naive fool and for you to believe I'm destined for hell--all based on faith for you and lack of any such belief in such for me because there isn't a shred of evidence to support it?
I don't think I will ever understand Christians thinking that 'faith' is such a wonderful thing and should be applauded. when in fact, believing something is true when there is no evidence that it is true and even when there is verifiable evidence that it isn't true, is the most idiotic thing imaginable and, ironically, something that they would never, ever do with any other thing other than their god-belief.
You guys think evidence and proof rules the day, when it really doesn't.
There were people who looked Jesus in the face, who heard His words, and who were healed by His power that did not believe in Him. You can't have more evidence that direct one on one contact, and it wasn't enough for many. Despite the fact that Jesus lived among them, they killed Him. Jesus did about three years of ministry - He died publicly and rose to life physically, and He ended up with around 120 true followers. That means most of the people rejected Him even though He was right there among them.
It's really about what YOU want to believe, and who YOU want to believe in - and more importantly, to whom GOD wants to reveal Himself.
So you guys aren't really fooling me with your call for proof... it's just the excuse for today.
I noticed that you didn't specify what I said to do.
It doesn’t matter...If it is by faith alone and it is G-d who grants repentance and it is G-d who regenerates your spirit unto belief and faith as it is laid out in your NT, then it is not something YOU do but what G-d does, but you say it is YOU who must exercise faith, which is contrary to what your NT states...
You guys think evidence and proof rules the day, when it really doesn't.
Except we ALL use evidence every day, including yourself. Only where Christianity is involved do you either ignore the evidence, or refuse to look for evidence to see if your beliefs are credible.
Quote:
Originally Posted by DRob4JC
There were people who looked Jesus in the face, who heard His words, and who were healed by His power that did not believe in Him. You can't have more evidence that direct one on one contact, and it wasn't enough for many. Despite the fact that Jesus lived among them, they killed Him. Jesus did about three years of ministry - He died publicly and rose to life physically, and He ended up with around 120 true followers. That means most of the people rejected Him even though He was right there among them.
According to the Christian accounts that by all the evidence are fiction.
Quote:
Originally Posted by DRob4JC
It's really about what YOU want to believe, and who YOU want to believe in - and more importantly, to whom GOD wants to reveal Himself.
No, for you it is about what you want to believe. For us, it is about where the evidence takes us.
And do you realize that you have just admitted we are atheists because your god allegedly has made us so by not revealing himself to us? No, I do not think you do realize this, or the moral implications.
Quote:
Originally Posted by DRob4JC
So you guys aren't really fooling me with your call for proof... it's just the excuse for today.
Your excuse for the day has been noted and filed in the paper basket.
I don't think I will ever understand Christians thinking that 'faith' is such a wonderful thing and should be applauded. when in fact, believing something is true when there is no evidence that it is true and even when there is verifiable evidence that it isn't true, is the most idiotic thing imaginable and, ironically, something that they would never, ever do with any other thing other than their god-belief.
Cool, where can I find this verifiable evidence that there is no God?
Then I need to ask the question, is evidence considered to be proof, beyond the shadow of any doubt?
As for the topic, if it isn't in the New Testament whatever it is is not a teaching from Jesus, or an interpretation of his teachings by one of his followers.
Isaiah was an Old Testament/Torah prophet. Aside from the history laid down by the Old Testament, and the 10 Commandments, Christians do not use the Old Testament for anything but a reference source.
Whether or not Isaiah predicted the coming of a messiah or not is irrelevant. Jesus Christ IS the messiah for Christians, just as much as Rabbi Schnerson IS the messiah for Lubavitchers.
Jesus Christ IS the messiah for Christians, just as much as Rabbi Schnerson IS the messiah for Lubavitchers.
whoa there...while there is a subgroup of Lubavitchers who might (in some sense of a definition) think of the Rebbe as the messiah, that isn't a defining feature of the Lubavitch movement. Christianity as a movement is defined by its viewing of Jesus as messiah.
whoa there...while there is a subgroup of Lubavitchers who might (in some sense of a definition) think of the Rebbe as the messiah, that isn't a defining feature of the Lubavitch movement. Christianity as a movement is defined by its viewing of Jesus as messiah.
Feel free to assert your authority on my statement as you wish. Please note, it doesn't make the original statement any less accurate. If you feel you have expanded on it, or clarified it in some way...okay.
Rabbi Schnerson IS an example of one revered as a Messiah/Moishach whose faith is unequivocally based in the Old Testament/Torah.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
