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I think modern science has rejected certain things dogmatically, without trying to understand them. Certain ideas have occurred in many different cultures -- such as magic words and magic potions.
None of which have been proven to work. At all.
Magic potions? Heh. The Chinese used to offer magic potions to people claiming these mixtures could do just about anything, saying that the potion contains ground-up dragon bones. Yeah, real, honest-to-goodness dragons!
Only to find out that the bones weren't dragon bones at all but ground-up dinosaur bones.
Which made the drinkers of these bottles of snake oil rather sick, I might add.
Magic words and magic potions. Show me one that works.
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Originally Posted by Good4Nothin
Homeopathic medicine is based on the idea that water can contain information. Modern science rejected homeopathy, because it rejects anything connected with magic.
Of course it does. Because there's no evidence that magic exists. If you can't even prove the fundamental paradigm -- magic -- then all the rest of it is pointless and irrelevant.
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Originally Posted by Good4Nothin
There are a lot of strange things that people everywhere have been aware of, but our modern science rejects them and refuses to study them.
Why is it that people seem bound and determined to keep making the same mistakes over and over again?
Even though people know what the mistakes were ... and even admit that they were mistakes ... they still turn right around and make that same mistake. "Oh no, they made a mistake, sure, but we're somehow different because, well, just because!"
And hence, whenever those people are confronted with something they don't understand, they immediately resort to supernatural nonsense like gods, magic, spirits, and who the hell knows what else. Even though people have been doing this for tens of thousands of years -- and always being wrong -- people even today still attach themselves to superstition as if somehow *their* superstition is superior than everyone else's from the past.
Thus, even though magic has never been proven to be the answer to *anything*, people will continue to insist that, no, no, *this* time it really *is* magic!
Sorry, but that kid has been crying wolf for at least a hundred thousand years and still ... no wolf.
Of course you would. Because most people in this country are Christian and I've found that the most deceitfully wicked people are often the ones screaming Jesus' name the loudest.
Those who thump the Bible, wearing a cross around their necks, dropping the name of Jesus every couple of sentences, who attend church 3 or 4 times a week, and *claim* to be oh so moral ... are the least moral among us. It's as if their hypocritical attachment to Christianity is overcompensation for their disgustingly cruel and hateful worldview.
And hence, for those who spend their time around the fundamentalists, the evangelicals, the southern Baptists, oh yeah ... of course they're deceitfully wicked. And yet it is we atheists who are pointed at while being condemned for having no moral compass. It's enough to make a sane person mad, to make a happy person weep, to make a calm person roil with unbridled rage.
If this country were as "Christian" as it claims to be, then we should be living in as close to a utopian setting as we humans can achieve. Instead -- we have just the opposite, a dysfunctional, tribal, superstitious population that lives in utter fear of their own shadows. And they have an amazingly keen fear of anything that resembles the truth.
So while the rest of the world builds amazing machines of science -- like the Hadron Collider -- we in America build creation museums designed to lie to the people, to revert our progress back a thousand years so that we remain ignorant and stupid.
I don't even like traveling abroad anymore. Being an American is an embarrassment. Religion plays a decisive role in how the rest of the world sees us - and while most other nations have a 80% to 90% evolution-believing population, Americans still cling to the idea of talking snakes, a ridiculous forbidden fruit, and humanity being created via an old Hebrew golem spell that breathes life into inanimate objects -- like a pile of dirt and a rib.
Quite sad, really. Who'd have ever thought that blatant ignorance -- and pride at being ignorant -- would bring the most technologically advanced nation to its knees.
Deceitfully wicked, indeed.
Yes, what you think is irrelevant. Just blindly, ignorantly, stupidly follow your god no matter where he leads you. Thus, if your petty little deity wants to smell burning flesh, why, we must give it to him. Never mind that he's all powerful ... what kind of all-powerful being would need puny humans to burn flesh for him so he can sit there like a fat slug smelling death like a goth kid in a death cult?
But thinking is strictly prohibited, isn't it. Do as your told. Follow orders. Do not question. Do not doubt. Do not disagree.
And when you cease being your own moral agent, you cease being moral at all. Instead, you merely become one who does as he is told, a conformist of the highest order, who behaves morally only because his god just happens not to be handing out immoral orders for the time being.
Yet, if your god said to kill every Canadian, every child, wipe out the entire continent of Africa, well, by god, HE wants it done! Is it moral? Of course not ... because god is so arrogant and vainglorious that he can't even follow his own moral code.
It is natural to see deceitful wickedness in the hearts of others when the heart of your god is as black as coal, filled with murder and hate for his own creation. For every verse that speaks of your god helping someone, I could find a hundred that has him murdering someone. When you follow an evil god, you see evil everywhere.
And make no mistake. The god you worship is as evil as any being could ever get. Not that you'll listen to me, of course. Because ignorance is bliss.
No, it's about placating the egos of petty deities that people make up out of whole cloth. Humanity has wasted countless centuries scurrying around at the make-believe commands of make-believe gods, inventing silly rituals and building massive temples -- and what has any of that done? Is the world a better place? Was god ever pleased?
Of course not.
Whether we sit on our asses ... or build cathedrals that touch the sky; whether we believe in god or not; whether we wave our incense and chant meaningless words ... or not, the universe will continue on as it always has and not one thing ..
Not
One
Thing
.. will change. Because that's what happens when an entire species wastes its life worrying about the next one, a worldview that has sparked unspeakable cruelty and atrocity since this life is only temporary. The suffering you endure, the suffering you *inflict* matters not, because "this too shall pass."
Just one more reason why you see deceitful wickedness.
Outstanding once again. Shirina for President! Leave the ignorance behind and come and live with me in Spain girl!
So a pagan god who would allow feast and famine is capricious, but your one and only god who allows feast and famine is not capricious?
The rest of your post is just explaining what your god allegedly thinks. The question is, how do you know this?
By reading and doing research
What is the meaning of capricious? Merriam Webster defines it as "unpredictable" and "erratic."
When reading the Hebrew Scriptures it's undeniable that God gave the Israelites clear directions as well as consequences. I don't find that unpredictable or erratic. They could choose to follow a different path and they often did but all choices have consequences good and bad.
Contrast that after reading works from pagan writers:
There's no end game with the "gods" The world just exists with no particularly direction. There's no conclusion, no one seems to be in charge directing things to a final outcome. And, very little hope for humankind after death. Well for some there was an afterlife such as Elysium but for most...nothing. Very similar to those who don't believe in anything today. No hope.
I get what you're saying, Harry, of course.
I don't know about scientific proof...all I know is people swear by homeopathy...I have tried some as a cold was just beginning and it worked...and it wasn't "belief"...it worked in spite of my doubts !
Magnets placed professionally on my kidney meridian was the ONLY thing that fixed me one terrible 2 weeks of seeing docs....
and the entire time I was thinking it was nuts!
I have no idea why these things can be SO powerful ! Sometimes one person's logic is different than another's.
But, we went off topic for a minute, oh well.
But that is the problem, your experience adds to your belief because they appeared to work. I am not against natural remedies, after all many of our medicines are ultimately natural. But looked at as a whole, and scientifically, homeopathy does not work.
But I am glad you became better, whatever the method.
All forms of energy medicine have been rejected by modern science. Not for scientific reasons. They just don't believe energy healing is possible. But of course it is.
Some scientists have tried to study water memory, but there is tremendous political opposition.
Rejected for scientific reasons, as demonstrated by the science papers produced.
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Originally Posted by Good4Nothin
Homeopathy is related to ancient magical practices. Modern science hates anything that resembles ancient magic, so they reject it.
That is why many of our medicines are based on 'ancient magic'.
You have researched what your god thinks? Where is this written down? It would save so much trouble.
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Originally Posted by hd4me
What is the meaning of capricious? Merriam Webster defines it as "unpredictable" and "erratic."
When reading the Hebrew Scriptures it's undeniable that God gave the Israelites clear directions as well as consequences. I don't find that unpredictable or erratic. They could choose to follow a different path and they often did but all choices have consequences good and bad.
I stand corrected. Your god is constantly evil.
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Originally Posted by hd4me
There's no end game with the "gods" The world just exists with no particularly direction. There's no conclusion, no one seems to be in charge directing things to a final outcome. And, very little hope for humankind after death. Well for some there was an afterlife such as Elysium but for most...nothing. Very similar to those who don't believe in anything today. No hope.
I do not.
I can not even imagine a Being of such love and magnificence wanting
a goat sacrificed on this teeny, far off planet hidden amongst billions and billions of planets,
amongst billions of solar systems ...(What kind of sacrifice was it anyway?
People came to the market to buy animals just to sacrifice! Where's the sacrifice? Did they then eat the sacrifice or toss it? )
Another man-made concept?
Discuss...
Convince me that God needed a blood sacrifice...why would you personally think this...understanding that a verse from the Bible would convince no one.
Why do YOU think a magnificent, brilliant Spirit, unseen, maintaining billions of solar systems would need a goat killed - or a human. What sense does it even make?
And this is not to say I don't love and follow Jesus and His Father God.
I am not an atheist, by any means.
But this belief in blood letting to appease God is pretty 'out there'! Come on...
Could you explain more the point you wanted to make?
And welcome to the topic.
And yes, that post of Shirina's was excellent.
Others have said this and now I am beginning to agree, that many here actually "worship" the stories in the Bible.
By worshiping it...it is worshiping a very warped idea of God...I see how atheists would think Christians are simply nuts...
I mean to worship that kind of scary, blood-thirsty Being right out of nightmares.
I simply do not know why people of the 21st c would not get all the horror in the stories told eons ago...and
then love such a Spirit.
That is not the Spirit that has presented Itself to me over decades.
No blood sacrifice going on here. Move along nothing disgusting to see here.
Look at the joy of god in that baby's face.
Oh my, what goes on still !!
Whether 1000s of yrs ago or now...it is still ridiculous, come ON, humans !
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