If the Torah was abolished, did HaShem change His mind?... (disciples, church)
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16 Thus shall the children of Israel observe the Sabbath, to make the Sabbath throughout their generations as an everlasting covenant.
So, how is it changed to Sunday?...
I gather that this was a change when it became the Roman State religion. I'm rather puzzled as to how they got the idea that a Sabbath had to be observed at all, because the gospels seem to spend their time trying to make the observance irrelevant.
I gather that this was a change when it became the Roman State religion. I'm rather puzzled as to how they got the idea that a Sabbath had to be observed at all, because the gospels seem to spend their time trying to make the observance irrelevant.
There are quite a few useful sites explaining the gradual process of changing the religious observance days - even a rather nutty one raving about how civil authorities usurped the authority of God to themselves (in the case of Constantine, they might be right, there), sets out the process pretty clearly.
Wiki gives a handy article:
The 2nd and 3rd centuries solidified the early church's emphasis upon Sunday worship and its rejection of a Jewish (Mosaic Law-based) observation of the Sabbath and manner of rest. Christian practice of following Sabbath after the manner of the Hebrews declined, prompting Tertullian to note "to [us] Sabbaths are strange" and unobserved.[27] Even as late as the 4th century, Judaizing was still sometimes a problem within the Church, but by this time it was repudiated strongly as heresy.[28][29][30]
Sunday was another work day in the Roman Empire. On March 7, 321, however, Roman Emperor Constantine I issued a civil decree making Sunday a day of rest from labor, stating:[31]
All judges and city people and the craftsmen shall rest upon the venerable day of the sun. Country people, however, may freely attend to the cultivation of the fields, because it frequently happens that no other days are better adapted for planting the grain in the furrows or the vines in trenches. So that the advantage given by heavenly providence may not for the occasion of a short time perish.
While established only in civil law rather than religious principle, the Church welcomed the development as a means by which Christians could the more easily attend Sunday worship and observe Christian rest. At Laodicea also, the Church encouraged Christians to make use of the day for Christian rest where possible,[30] without ascribing to it any of the regulation of Mosaic Law, and indeed, anathematizing Hebrew observance on the Sabbath. The civil law and its effects made possible a pattern in Church life that has been imitated throughout the centuries in many places and cultures, wherever possible.
From ancient times to Middle Ages
Augustine of Hippo followed the early patristic writers in spiritualizing the meaning of the Sabbath commandment, referring it to eschatological rest rather than observance of a literal day. Such writing, however, did serve to deepen the idea of Christian rest on Sunday, and its practice increased in prominence throughout the early Middle Ages.[32]
Thomas Aquinas taught that the Decalogue is an expression of natural law which binds all men, and therefore the Sabbath commandment is a moral requirement along with the other nine. Thus in the west, Sunday rest became more closely associated with a Christian application of the Sabbath, a development towards the idea of a "Christian Sabbath" rather than a Hebrew one.[32] While Sunday worship and Sunday rest combined powerfully to relate to Sabbath commandment precepts, the application of the commandment to Christian life was nevertheless a response within the law of liberty, not restricted to a single day but continuous, and not a displacement of the Sabbath in time.
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There are quite a few useful sites explaining the gradual process of changing the religious observance days - even a rather nutty one raving about how civil authorities usurped the authority of God to themselves (in the case of Constantine, they might be right, there), sets out the process pretty clearly.
Wiki gives a handy article:
The 2nd and 3rd centuries solidified the early church's emphasis upon Sunday worship and its rejection of a Jewish (Mosaic Law-based) observation of the Sabbath and manner of rest. Christian practice of following Sabbath after the manner of the Hebrews declined, prompting Tertullian to note "to [us] Sabbaths are strange" and unobserved.[27] Even as late as the 4th century, Judaizing was still sometimes a problem within the Church, but by this time it was repudiated strongly as heresy.[28][29][30]
Sunday was another work day in the Roman Empire. On March 7, 321, however, Roman Emperor Constantine I issued a civil decree making Sunday a day of rest from labor, stating:[31]
All judges and city people and the craftsmen shall rest upon the venerable day of the sun. Country people, however, may freely attend to the cultivation of the fields, because it frequently happens that no other days are better adapted for planting the grain in the furrows or the vines in trenches. So that the advantage given by heavenly providence may not for the occasion of a short time perish.
While established only in civil law rather than religious principle, the Church welcomed the development as a means by which Christians could the more easily attend Sunday worship and observe Christian rest. At Laodicea also, the Church encouraged Christians to make use of the day for Christian rest where possible,[30] without ascribing to it any of the regulation of Mosaic Law, and indeed, anathematizing Hebrew observance on the Sabbath. The civil law and its effects made possible a pattern in Church life that has been imitated throughout the centuries in many places and cultures, wherever possible.
From ancient times to Middle Ages
Augustine of Hippo followed the early patristic writers in spiritualizing the meaning of the Sabbath commandment, referring it to eschatological rest rather than observance of a literal day. Such writing, however, did serve to deepen the idea of Christian rest on Sunday, and its practice increased in prominence throughout the early Middle Ages.[32]
Thomas Aquinas taught that the Decalogue is an expression of natural law which binds all men, and therefore the Sabbath commandment is a moral requirement along with the other nine. Thus in the west, Sunday rest became more closely associated with a Christian application of the Sabbath, a development towards the idea of a "Christian Sabbath" rather than a Hebrew one.[32] While Sunday worship and Sunday rest combined powerfully to relate to Sabbath commandment precepts, the application of the commandment to Christian life was nevertheless a response within the law of liberty, not restricted to a single day but continuous, and not a displacement of the Sabbath in time.
I can understand how Christians might claim that Sunday, being the first day of the week, would revitalize one and strengthen one to the onslaught of the “slings and arrows of Satan†during the coming work-week, however, that is an oxymoron to the intention of a Saturday Shabbat, being that we are to observe what HaShem did after six days of labor, He rested, and we are to do the same after six days, rest from our labors...
... however, that is an oxymoron to the intention of a Saturday Shabbat, being that we are to observe what HaShem did after six days of labor, He rested, and we are to do the same after six days, rest from our labors...
I agree. It is the Lord's day.
Maybe you and I will talk about
one day how 'HaShem", the Name, the word itself came into human pronunciation? Not here, tho.
I love that Name HaShem.
Yes, there are many places to read about the change over to Sunday.
This is outrageous: 1923 article:
"Sunday is our mark of authority… the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact” (Catholic Record of London, Ontario Sept 1, 1923).
I gather that this was a change when it became the Roman State religion. I'm rather puzzled as to how they got the idea that a Sabbath had to be observed at all, because the gospels seem to spend their time trying to make the observance irrelevant.
No, It doesn't. The only way anyone can understand the New Testament is to start with the knowledge that Gentiles converted to Judaism, and Jews had their own culture and heritage that would be insane for a Gentile to try and keep. Not only did they have the appointed Sabbaths and feasts, there were many, many traditions and days that were wholly Jewish. A Gentile didn't have to get circumcised and they didn't have to keep many laws like Kosher laws except that they were not supposed to do business with pagans.
The whole New Testament is set in and around the temple with Jesus and all the disciples submitting to Jewish authority and the priests ordained by God where Jesus said that we were to do whatever the priests told us to do, and what would a Jewish priest tell a Gentile to do?
NOT MUCH, and Jesus said he didn't come to abolish the law, saying that whoever didn't keep the laws to teach others not to keep the laws would be the least in the kingdom of heaven...
Frankly you can choose to believe the false pre conceived ideas finely tuned with 2000 years of Anti-Semitism, or you can choose to believe the truth, that Gentiles converted to Judaism in the beginning.....
Paul never left Judaism and what Paul said to Gentiles is not what he said to Jews, Gentiles have to rationalize why they converted to another religion, and so they try and bring Judaism down, and once they do that, they prove that Jesus could not have been the Messiah and they don't understand how impossible their words are....You can't show a lawless Pagan Messiah whose followers are lawless pagans and expect anyone to believe he was the Messiah the prophets foretold.
16 Thus shall the children of Israel observe the Sabbath, to make the Sabbath throughout their generations as an everlasting covenant.
So, how is it changed to Sunday?...
Interesting question for all those who claim they follow the Mosaic Covenant. Did HaShem change His mind about all the other requirements of the Law that are no longer observed such as the animal sacrifices?
It isn't changed to a day. But Jesus is our Sabbath rest.
Nope...
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