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Old 10-26-2018, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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I honestly believe that indoctrination is so effective that it plants an auto bypass that defaults to “god works in mysterious ways” which disconnects the believer from rational reasoning concerning many immoral acts by the abrahamic god and his “chosen” people. I could not accept the biblical god as righteous, or real, because it sanctioned slavery, mass rape and genocide. It was far more reasonable to believe that the israelies created this god to justify its absurdities. My best guess is that mankind is still too primitive to rationally dismiss its irrational desire to have a god that promises eternal bliss.
Excellent and concise summary!
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Old 10-27-2018, 11:21 AM
 
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I honestly believe that indoctrination is so effective that it plants an auto bypass that defaults to “god works in mysterious ways” which disconnects the believer from rational reasoning concerning many immoral acts by the abrahamic god and his “chosen” people. I could not accept the biblical god as righteous, or real, because it sanctioned slavery, mass rape and genocide. It was far more reasonable to believe that the israelies created this god to justify its absurdities. My best guess is that mankind is still too primitive to rationally dismiss its irrational desire to have a god that promises eternal bliss.
I believe that your observations are correct. Faith (instilled or embraced) is at the basis of it. And a god (or gods) is invented by the culture to suit itself. In the days when the Answers are giving the gods nowhere to hide, the Faithful take refuge in denial. And since they can't deny ...I'll resay that - If they can't deny what is in the Bible (a good number do) the evade it by trying to rewrite it (oh that wasn't slavery, it was a gainful employment) or claim there is a Good Reason but only God knows what it is.

In my book it is all the same anyway - Faith -based denial.
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Old 10-27-2018, 11:39 AM
 
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I believe that your observations are correct. Faith (instilled or embraced) is at the basis of it. And a god (or gods) is invented by the culture to suit itself. In the days when the Answers are giving the gods nowhere to hide, the Faithful take refuge in denial. And since they can't deny ...I'll resay that - If they can't deny what is in the Bible (a good number do) the evade it by trying to rewrite it (oh that wasn't slavery, it was a gainful employment) or claim there is a Good Reason but only God knows what it is.

In my book it is all the same anyway - Faith -based denial.
that's what your sect of atheism relies on. faith-based "deny everything". You have blind faith in "deny everything because my faith is the best."

deny any science that doesn't help you blind faith statement of "deny it all because of how theist might use it>"

I love how you attack cherry picking. You actually support tossing out everything in favor of your statement of belief. no matter how less valid your statement of belief is. rational people "cherry pick" any set of literal rules because the literal law doesn't work.

apologetics is attacked by you. You actually attack people that will change their previous beliefs when they are confronted with new observations. lmao at your stance, its a joke. And dangerous to freedom.

Its just obvious these days. More people understand we are part of a larger more complex system. Your 'deny everything because "I" am afraid of them" is just so much less valid you will be outnumbered every day for all of human time.

You have been slapped down and debunked so easily, you have to remain in hiding.
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Old 10-27-2018, 11:45 AM
 
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I honestly believe that indoctrination is so effective that it plants an auto bypass that defaults to “god works in mysterious ways” which disconnects the believer from rational reasoning concerning many immoral acts by the abrahamic god and his “chosen” people. I could not accept the biblical god as righteous, or real, because it sanctioned slavery, mass rape and genocide. It was far more reasonable to believe that the israelies created this god to justify its absurdities. My best guess is that mankind is still too primitive to rationally dismiss its irrational desire to have a god that promises eternal bliss.
yup ... anti-anything-I deem-looking-spiritual socialism is an excellent example of a human inability to reason.
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Old 10-27-2018, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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that's what your sect of atheism relies on. faith-based "deny everything". You have blind faith in "deny everything because my faith is the best."

deny any science that doesn't help you blind faith statement of "deny it all because of how theist might use it>"

I love how you attack cherry picking. You actually support tossing out everything in favor of your statement of belief. no matter how less valid your statement of belief is. rational people "cherry pick" any set of literal rules because the literal law doesn't work.

apologetics is attacked by you. You actually attack people that will change their previous beliefs when they are confronted with new observations. lmao at your stance, its a joke. And dangerous to freedom.

Its just obvious these days. More people understand we are part of a larger more complex system. Your 'deny everything because "I" am afraid of them" is just so much less valid you will be outnumbered every day for all of human time.

You have been slapped down and debunked so easily, you have to remain in hiding.
No one is hiding here. We're all posting publicly.
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Old 10-27-2018, 11:51 AM
 
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Excellent and concise summary!
I was informed by more than one atheist that Buddhist are really theist of another sort. I must admit, I am not an expert in it.

is that true? and if it is, are you just one religion attacking another religion?
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Old 10-27-2018, 12:00 PM
 
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No one is hiding here. We're all posting publicly.
that's not entirely true.

"avoidance" is a major tactic here.
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Old 10-27-2018, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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I was informed by more than one atheist that Buddhist are really theist of another sort. I must admit, I am not an expert in it.

is that true? and if it is, are you just one religion attacking another religion?
Clearly you're not an expert in it.

There are, in my view, two groups of Buddhists. There are those who see it as something to worship. And there are those who see Buddhism for what it is supposed to be -- a way of thinking, a way of accepting personal responsibility.
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Old 10-27-2018, 12:07 PM
 
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that's not entirely true.

"avoidance" is a major tactic here.
Yes, I notice how mostly blank and meaningless your profile is.
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Old 10-27-2018, 12:16 PM
 
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Yes, I notice how mostly blank and meaningless your profile is.
I didn't personally attack you.

all i said is people use avoidance.
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