Can someone explain what the hatred for the Jews is based on? (Mormons, baptize)

[jbgusa]

Originally Posted by rosends

No, one cannot start with the Talmud. If one starts with the Talmud, one will be very confused. Any discussion of Judaism that wants to focus on it as a religion should look at the corpus of its historical texts or of its normative laws, both with the extensive explanation provided by that religion itself, and study the texts in their original language. The Talmud is neither of those two things, so starting with it would be a foolish choice. Starting with an English translation would be even more foolish.

The Talmud has some great material, such as the need to atone to fellow man as well as G-d for sins against man. But I'll agree the Torah is and needs to be primary.

[nateswift]

It seems historically clear that the prejudice stems from religious conflict between the developing Christian faith which was originally developed WITHIN Judaism, but fairly quickly showed to be more universal and applicable to those outside that religion without conversion TO that religion. This caused conflict between hard line religionists in Judaism and the new perceptions especially held by gentile converts to faith in Christ. This was exacerbated by the obduracy (as viewed by the Roman government, or faithfulness as viewed by the Jews) of the Jewish population resulting in two wars of conquest in Judea (70 CE and 130 CE) as well as the expulsion of Jews from Rome. This continued when the institutional Church became a vital part of the Roman government administration with their particulr restriction on credit (moneylending) and the need for credit in business (a very profitable venture generally) to be administered by non-Christians, almost all of whom would be Jewish. The social separation and the jealousy for wealth acquired in the credit business combined for a continuing prejudice evident even today, the second part evident in the complaint about Jewish business owners controlling markets, etc.

I can't imagine why such a simple process should not be understood and denigrated for the primitive viciousness it displays.

[pittsflyer]

Originally Posted by nateswift

It seems historically clear that the prejudice stems from religious conflict between the developing Christian faith which was originally developed WITHIN Judaism, but fairly quickly showed to be more universal and applicable to those outside that religion without conversion TO that religion. This caused conflict between hard line religionists in Judaism and the new perceptions especially held by gentile converts to faith in Christ. This was exacerbated by the obduracy (as viewed by the Roman government, or faithfulness as viewed by the Jews) of the Jewish population resulting in two wars of conquest in Judea (70 CE and 130 CE) as well as the expulsion of Jews from Rome. This continued when the institutional Church became a vital part of the Roman government administration with their particulr restriction on credit (moneylending) and the need for credit in business (a very profitable venture generally) to be administered by non-Christians, almost all of whom would be Jewish. The social separation and the jealousy for wealth acquired in the credit business combined for a continuing prejudice evident even today, the second part evident in the complaint about Jewish business owners controlling markets, etc.

I can't imagine why such a simple process should not be understood and denigrated for the primitive viciousness it displays.

Because control of markets is a form of economic warfare that destroys families, so they retaliated militarily. We are seeing it today in the USA and eventually there will be hell to pay. When people finally wake up and cant eat or pay their mortgage because they have such little leverage in the market to get fair wages its going to get ugly. The problem with Germany is that they waged war on an entire group rather than selectively going after those guilty of controlling said markets. If they had done that they could have made it a capital offense and executed people for economic warfare against their own people.

That is EXACTLY what happened in Germany, this was exacerbated by the debt payments to Briton.

You can call it viscousness but people will only tolerate food being taken off their tables for so long and then it will get ugly. If our own markets are not fixed in a civililzed manner very soon we may end up repeating the past. Once enough people are upset enough there wont be an ordered execution of select executives and board members it will be a just like Nazi germany.

[monumentus]

Well a video popped up on my You Tube feed last night that I would have ignored entirely if it was not for this thread. It was a couple of atheists - one from a Christian Background and one from a Muslim background - who sat down for a three hour talk with National Socialists or Nazi's last week. They released the video on Monday. Impeccable timing to overlap with this thread.

It was quite the job to even view the video. It was only 48 hours after release banned in many countries and I had to VPN hop all over the place just to get the basic link to work without a ban message - and then had to use a you tube download hack to get the video as an MP4 file to watch it as You Tube had a "I consent and wish to continue viewing" type button on it that didn't actually do anything when pressed. You tube _really_ did not want me to view this video. I am probably on some national security list now for having succeeded in getting the video

Listening to them for three hours I think I would probably "hate" the Jews too if I believed even 20% of what these people believe about them. Though I think "hate" is the wrong word. But my social and political and personal policies would be such that it would be hard for a partial and maybe even impartial observer to distinguish them from basic hatred.

Thing is I do not believe 20% or even 1% of what these people were claiming in the video. I genuinely found them to be in the top tiers of nonsense - paranoia - conspiracy theory - and delusion.

It was all meta-narrative driven cherry picking and tailoring of facts to fit the narrative. For example one Jewish Agenda list they found said that it was a Jewish mission to spread disease. So they immediately decided the Black Plague was a Jewish conspiracy. No evidence. No reasoning. No arguments. It was a disease - their narrative is that the Jews will spread disease - therefore it must have been them. In their mind every religion other than Christianity - which of course they believe to be the true religion of truth - was established as a Jewish conspiracy too to divide us and keep people away from the truth of Christ.

Most of their "aha" moments that started them going down the road of Jewish hatred seem to focus on one single event. For one of them for example it was their idea that 9-11 was a Jewish orchestrated inside job. For another it was finding text in the Talmud that seems to suggest that any non-jew is not human but a beast in human clothing and that every Jew was promised a few 100 of us non-Jews as slaves in the future.

For another it was the idea that a law was established against Holocaust denial - something that I myself said from day 1 would be used like a Martyr as fuel to support anti Jewish narratives. And my goodness what an effort they went to do just that. I lost count how many times in the video they mentioned not being allowed to talk about the Holocaust. All the while actively and specifically and clearly denying the holocaust. Weird to be claiming not being able to do X while actively and repeatedly doing X! I am sure people who make such laws have their heart in the right place - but it is almost always a bad move and it creates more of these freaks. Just like Gender Pronoun laws in Canada basically have the entire blame for giving someone like Jordan Peterson - The "I think drugs gave people a magical knowledge of DNA before DNA was even discovered" guy - a career. Make martyrs out of ideas - and dangerous nutjobs get monetizable careers.

Then they just work backwards from there and merely assert and cherry pick everything to fit their new anti jewish world views. But in the three hours they offered not one shred of evidence for anything they were claiming. Just a lot of name dropping - claims of persecution and being silenced - and conspiracy theory.

In fact the "main guy" in the interview for example was not only a 9-11 insider job type he was also into conspiracies around UFOs and so forth. He lost his job due to his madness about these things too which of course he uses as proof positive that the Jews "go after" you starting with your livelihood if you cross them.

The biggest laugh out loud at their idiocy moment for me came when they kept claiming that all our media even You Tube was being controlled by the Jews to stop you hearing certain facts and historical claims. Yet every time they were asked to cite evidence for a claim or idea of their own - they did the You Tube equivalent of Jordan Petersons MO of merely listening the names of a list of books when cornered on nonsense - by simply listening names of You Tube videos. Amazing that one half of their narrative is that You Tube is being controlled and Censored to stop you waking up to their "truth" - yet on the other hand every moment of revelation they have and every shred of citation they have - is you tube.

Funny stuff.

Though I am sure the difficulty I had in viewing this video is proof positive in their mind that the censorship is what they pretend it to be in their narrative - rather than what I think it actually is which is our new melting snowflake generation who click "report" on videos without even watching them because they feel "offended" by it in some way. I know where I wish these "people" would shove their safe spaces and de platforming.

[Kavalier]

Originally Posted by monumentus

Well a video popped up on my You Tube feed last night that I would have ignored entirely if it was not for this thread. It was a couple of atheists - one from a Christian Background and one from a Muslim background - who sat down for a three hour talk with National Socialists or Nazi's last week. They released the video on Monday. Impeccable timing to overlap with this thread.

It was quite the job to even view the video. It was only 48 hours after release banned in many countries and I had to VPN hop all over the place just to get the basic link to work without a ban message - and then had to use a you tube download hack to get the video as an MP4 file to watch it as You Tube had a "I consent and wish to continue viewing" type button on it that didn't actually do anything when pressed. You tube _really_ did not want me to view this video. I am probably on some national security list now for having succeeded in getting the video

Listening to them for three hours I think I would probably "hate" the Jews too if I believed even 20% of what these people believe about them. Though I think "hate" is the wrong word. But my social and political and personal policies would be such that it would be hard for a partial and maybe even impartial observer to distinguish them from basic hatred.

Thing is I do not believe 20% or even 1% of what these people were claiming in the video. I genuinely found them to be in the top tiers of nonsense - paranoia - conspiracy theory - and delusion.

It was all meta-narrative driven cherry picking and tailoring of facts to fit the narrative. For example one Jewish Agenda list they found said that it was a Jewish mission to spread disease. So they immediately decided the Black Plague was a Jewish conspiracy. No evidence. No reasoning. No arguments. It was a disease - their narrative is that the Jews will spread disease - therefore it must have been them. In their mind every religion other than Christianity - which of course they believe to be the true religion of truth - was established as a Jewish conspiracy too to divide us and keep people away from the truth of Christ.

Most of their "aha" moments that started them going down the road of Jewish hatred seem to focus on one single event. For one of them for example it was their idea that 9-11 was a Jewish orchestrated inside job. For another it was finding text in the Talmud that seems to suggest that any non-jew is not human but a beast in human clothing and that every Jew was promised a few 100 of us non-Jews as slaves in the future.

For another it was the idea that a law was established against Holocaust denial - something that I myself said from day 1 would be used like a Martyr as fuel to support anti Jewish narratives. And my goodness what an effort they went to do just that. I lost count how many times in the video they mentioned not being allowed to talk about the Holocaust. All the while actively and specifically and clearly denying the holocaust. Weird to be claiming not being able to do X while actively and repeatedly doing X! I am sure people who make such laws have their heart in the right place - but it is almost always a bad move and it creates more of these freaks. Just like Gender Pronoun laws in Canada basically have the entire blame for giving someone like Jordan Peterson - The "I think drugs gave people a magical knowledge of DNA before DNA was even discovered" guy - a career. Make martyrs out of ideas - and dangerous nutjobs get monetizable careers.

Then they just work backwards from there and merely assert and cherry pick everything to fit their new anti jewish world views. But in the three hours they offered not one shred of evidence for anything they were claiming. Just a lot of name dropping - claims of persecution and being silenced - and conspiracy theory.

In fact the "main guy" in the interview for example was not only a 9-11 insider job type he was also into conspiracies around UFOs and so forth. He lost his job due to his madness about these things too which of course he uses as proof positive that the Jews "go after" you starting with your livelihood if you cross them.

The biggest laugh out loud at their idiocy moment for me came when they kept claiming that all our media even You Tube was being controlled by the Jews to stop you hearing certain facts and historical claims. Yet every time they were asked to cite evidence for a claim or idea of their own - they did the You Tube equivalent of Jordan Petersons MO of merely listening the names of a list of books when cornered on nonsense - by simply listening names of You Tube videos. Amazing that one half of their narrative is that You Tube is being controlled and Censored to stop you waking up to their "truth" - yet on the other hand every moment of revelation they have and every shred of citation they have - is you tube.

Funny stuff.

Though I am sure the difficulty I had in viewing this video is proof positive in their mind that the censorship is what they pretend it to be in their narrative - rather than what I think it actually is which is our new melting snowflake generation who click "report" on videos without even watching them because they feel "offended" by it in some way. I know where I wish these "people" would shove their safe spaces and de platforming.

Who exactly do you think owns Youtube?

[monumentus]

The point I was making is independent of who owns or does not own it. The point I am making is more general than that.

Claiming in one breath that source "X" is compromised and systematically censored on a particular topic "Y" - then in the next breath saying most to all of your enlightenment on topic "Y" and most of your citations of evidence and narratives to support your position on topic "Y" comes from source "X" - is quite the massive self contradiction.

[Richard1965]

Originally Posted by monumentus

Well a video popped up on my You Tube feed last night that I would have ignored entirely if it was not for this thread. It was a couple of atheists - one from a Christian Background and one from a Muslim background - who sat down for a three hour talk with National Socialists or Nazi's last week. They released the video on Monday. Impeccable timing to overlap with this thread.

It was quite the job to even view the video. It was only 48 hours after release banned in many countries and I had to VPN hop all over the place just to get the basic link to work without a ban message - and then had to use a you tube download hack to get the video as an MP4 file to watch it as You Tube had a "I consent and wish to continue viewing" type button on it that didn't actually do anything when pressed. You tube _really_ did not want me to view this video. I am probably on some national security list now for having succeeded in getting the video

Listening to them for three hours I think I would probably "hate" the Jews too if I believed even 20% of what these people believe about them. Though I think "hate" is the wrong word. But my social and political and personal policies would be such that it would be hard for a partial and maybe even impartial observer to distinguish them from basic hatred.

Thing is I do not believe 20% or even 1% of what these people were claiming in the video. I genuinely found them to be in the top tiers of nonsense - paranoia - conspiracy theory - and delusion.

It was all meta-narrative driven cherry picking and tailoring of facts to fit the narrative. For example one Jewish Agenda list they found said that it was a Jewish mission to spread disease. So they immediately decided the Black Plague was a Jewish conspiracy. No evidence. No reasoning. No arguments. It was a disease - their narrative is that the Jews will spread disease - therefore it must have been them. In their mind every religion other than Christianity - which of course they believe to be the true religion of truth - was established as a Jewish conspiracy too to divide us and keep people away from the truth of Christ.

Most of their "aha" moments that started them going down the road of Jewish hatred seem to focus on one single event. For one of them for example it was their idea that 9-11 was a Jewish orchestrated inside job. For another it was finding text in the Talmud that seems to suggest that any non-jew is not human but a beast in human clothing and that every Jew was promised a few 100 of us non-Jews as slaves in the future.

For another it was the idea that a law was established against Holocaust denial - something that I myself said from day 1 would be used like a Martyr as fuel to support anti Jewish narratives. And my goodness what an effort they went to do just that. I lost count how many times in the video they mentioned not being allowed to talk about the Holocaust. All the while actively and specifically and clearly denying the holocaust. Weird to be claiming not being able to do X while actively and repeatedly doing X! I am sure people who make such laws have their heart in the right place - but it is almost always a bad move and it creates more of these freaks. Just like Gender Pronoun laws in Canada basically have the entire blame for giving someone like Jordan Peterson - The "I think drugs gave people a magical knowledge of DNA before DNA was even discovered" guy - a career. Make martyrs out of ideas - and dangerous nutjobs get monetizable careers.

Then they just work backwards from there and merely assert and cherry pick everything to fit their new anti jewish world views. But in the three hours they offered not one shred of evidence for anything they were claiming. Just a lot of name dropping - claims of persecution and being silenced - and conspiracy theory.

In fact the "main guy" in the interview for example was not only a 9-11 insider job type he was also into conspiracies around UFOs and so forth. He lost his job due to his madness about these things too which of course he uses as proof positive that the Jews "go after" you starting with your livelihood if you cross them.

The biggest laugh out loud at their idiocy moment for me came when they kept claiming that all our media even You Tube was being controlled by the Jews to stop you hearing certain facts and historical claims. Yet every time they were asked to cite evidence for a claim or idea of their own - they did the You Tube equivalent of Jordan Petersons MO of merely listening the names of a list of books when cornered on nonsense - by simply listening names of You Tube videos. Amazing that one half of their narrative is that You Tube is being controlled and Censored to stop you waking up to their "truth" - yet on the other hand every moment of revelation they have and every shred of citation they have - is you tube.

Funny stuff.

Though I am sure the difficulty I had in viewing this video is proof positive in their mind that the censorship is what they pretend it to be in their narrative - rather than what I think it actually is which is our new melting snowflake generation who click "report" on videos without even watching them because they feel "offended" by it in some way. I know where I wish these "people" would shove their safe spaces and de platforming.

How do you know that they didn’t censor it themselves?...

[Arach Angle]

same reason there is haltered of Christians (or religious: entirely based on the belief that they cause the woes of the world).

I Think is more than that. I think its people being people. It seems some people can't grasp the nature of the human species past what they want to be real.

can a great ape understand its own species as it relates to the troop they are in?

Image how a cluster a,b, or c would express a belief about another statement of belief about god? Toss in addicted, adult children of abuse, and mentals. How would one statement of belief about god be expressed by these people?

lmao. Make a computer model of them. I bet it matches what see.

[ukrkoz]

Originally Posted by Kavalier

Who exactly do you think owns Youtube?

• Larry Page
• Sergey Brin

these guys own youtube at root level.


They are both Jews.

[TroutDude]

Originally Posted by ukrkoz

• Larry Page
• Sergey Brin

these guys own youtube at root level.


They are both Jews.

I'm grateful to them. I light a (virtual) candle to them near-daily. I never thought I'd live to see the day when I can enjoy concert footage of my favourite bands from various times and places around the world. Now I do so from the comfort of my home any time I wish.

We are extremely fortunate to live in this era.