Is there a GOD? Or a continuous recycle process of life? Or does everything cease to exist in death? (prophecy, scriptures)
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Wrong, it is you who is once again deflecting from 1) the fact that you have ONE news paper article that may have the information wrong, 2) this poor child will grow up with a fully functioning consciousness, and 3) that another article you quoted says the evidence points to the whole brain being responsible for consciousness.
It is irrelevant whether the paper does talk about the stem or not because you have not yet demonstrated 1) the baby only has just a stem, and 2) that it will be have a fully functioning consciousness if it survives to being an adult.
Until then, I will rely on all the evidence I have presented earlier, the evidence that you have either ignored or misrepresented.
These congenital conditions exist where brain's cerebral hemispheres are absent to varying degrees, and in rare cases as shown humans have lived longer than expected. What you have failed to do is answer a simple question based on the evidence you provided. Until you provide that evidence from your paper I will assume you have none for which I have asked repeatedly.
These congenital conditions exist where brain's cerebral hemispheres are absent to varying degrees, and in rare cases as shown humans have lived longer than expected.
Yes, but they will never grow up to be fully conscious, thinking great ideas, or even being able to walk normally. So all you are doing is providing more evidence that consciousness is a product of the whole brain (again).
From one of your links - 'Bambakidis told FoxNews.com. "It’s possible to have those autonomic functions still active without having the cerebral cortex, the part that (Kaliysha) is missing, which controls the higher functioning things like personality, memory and speech working."'
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What you have failed to do is answer a simple question based on the evidence you provided. Until you provide that evidence from your paper I will assume you have none for which I have asked repeatedly.
No, your question is NOT based on the evidence I provided, as Godwin, Barry, and Marois were talking about the whole brain in healthy people. What you are asking for is do Godwin, Barry, and Marois talk about something they are not talking about, because you are pretending that the level of consciousness in these poor children will be the same as that in healthy adults.
And you have still to demonstrate this is nothing more than a brain stem, or that Aaron Murray is actually conscious as we know it. Until you do that, your question is still irrelevant.
Yes, but they will never grow up to be fully conscious, thinking great ideas, or even being able to walk normally. So all you are doing is providing more evidence that consciousness is a product of the whole brain (again).
From one of your links - 'Bambakidis told FoxNews.com. "It’s possible to have those autonomic functions still active without having the cerebral cortex, the part that (Kaliysha) is missing, which controls the higher functioning things like personality, memory and speech working."'
No, your question is NOT based on the evidence I provided, as Godwin, Barry, and Marois were talking about the whole brain in healthy people. What you are asking for is do Godwin, Barry, and Marois talk about something they are not talking about, because you are pretending that the level of consciousness in these poor children will be the same as that in healthy adults.
And you have still to demonstrate this is nothing more than a brain stem, or that Aaron Murray is actually conscious as we know it. Until you do that, your question is still irrelevant.
Ahh but they are still conscious, that is the argument. You can have the majority of your brain missing and still be conscious even if it's just responding to stimuli you are aware and conscious. I doubt you will find an individual case of a rare genetic disorder where the family releases medical information for public consumption.
What the graph from your paper of Godwin, Barry, and Marois shows is hot colors depict stronger connections for the aware which are mainly concentrated in the middle of the brain/cortex, not in the brain stem region. The paper you provided assess pairwise functional connectivity across 264 nodes of the cerebral cortex, it says nothing about the brain stem region. So your paper clearly states for evidence of awareness in the cerebral cortex yet we know there is evidence that a human can be conscious without a cerebral cortex.
Ahh but they are still conscious, that is the argument. You can have the majority of your brain missing and still be conscious even if it's just responding to stimuli you are aware and conscious. I doubt you will find an individual case of a rare genetic disorder where the family releases medical information for public consumption.
What the graph from your paper of Godwin, Barry, and Marois shows is hot colors depict stronger connections for the aware which are mainly concentrated in the middle of the brain/cortex, not in the brain stem region. The paper you provided assess pairwise functional connectivity across 264 nodes of the cerebral cortex, it says nothing about the brain stem region. So your paper clearly states for evidence of awareness in the cerebral cortex yet we know there is evidence that a human can be conscious without a cerebral cortex.
So a plant is conscious? Plants respond to stimuli by turning their leaves to face the sun.
Is a spider conscious? They respond to the stimuli when a strand of their web snares an insect.
I think that consciousness implies more than simple stimulus response.
Spiders are pretty cool. No doubt about it, and I am one of those that also has a bit of an instinctive ick-reaction to spiders. I did not know that they could dive as well.
But conscious? I hate to start down a path that resulted in a different thread being heavily edited, but we seem to be talking about a definition. Consciousness seems to be on a spectrum. Plants aren’t, people are, and most biological things, including spiders are somewherein the middle.
Is there a jump at some point where instinct and stimulus response jump to self-awareness? It seems to me that there may be, although I admit I am completely uneducated in this area.
Returning to the main conversational thread though, I don’t think that a person with only a brain stem, that exhibits no signs of conscious thought, can be considered conscious. It seems to take moreof a brain than that.
There’s even debate out there on whether plants are conscious or not.
In Jr. High science class the teacher lit a match, and as he held it closer and closer to the plant the plant moved further and further away from the burning match.
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