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They've lost the "evil atheists from history" debate - they can keep crowing about it, but that argument has been torn to shreds, and not just by me. Every prominent online atheist from AronRa to NonStampCollector has done videos ripping apart the "atheism is to blame for Stalin's actions" argument.
So, out of desperation, they're going to try Moderator cut: Abortion comment removed. The more the better!
Moderator cut: Abortion comment removed. People like Baptist Fundie, who are undoubtedly getting their arguments from their thought control masters behind the pulpit, Moderator cut: Abortion comment removed. . Talk about secret!
Like I said before, "lying for Jesus" has become an acceptable form of immorality because Moderator cut: Abortion comment removed. is breaking the 10th Commandment, because that is most certainly bearing false witness.
As I said, these people have sacrificed their morality and their humanity for their bid at achieving political and social dominance in this country - and if that were to ever actually happen, well, we can pretty much kiss Western civilization goodbye. Between Islamic fundamentalism in Europe and Christian fundamentalism in America - yeah.
You are quite the bitter, angry person, aren't you?
It is, I think, a sign that a polemicist is out of ammo when they are reduced to flinging monkey -poo. mind you some moderator filletting may show that BF has at least Some elevated ground to get a good throw from. But Hey, I relish a Shirina -shellack. There's an element of 'I only wish i could do that - never mind daring to'. But what matters is - is it sooth? Even if not, the correct thing to do is refute in. Not throw crap.
And once again, we get armchair psychology from Baptist Fundie.
You received your long distance psychiatry degree from ... which university?
Nor do you offer up a single refutation.
Standard faire.
I'm pointing out that you apparently get pretty ticked off and you resort to all sorts of name calling and personal insults when you're questioned. Suggesting that I get my arguments from my "thought control masters behind the pulpit"? I'm sorry, that's offensive.
It demonstrates that you really don't have an argument, and you resort to lobbing insults. It's quite sad, actually. I really don't have a lot of respect for your elitism. Why would anyone want to engage you in an actual conversation when you treat them with disdain?
I'm pointing out that you apparently get pretty ticked off and you resort to all sorts of name calling and personal insults when you're questioned. Suggesting that I get my arguments from my "thought control masters behind the pulpit"? I'm sorry, that's offensive.
It demonstrates that you really don't have an argument, and you resort to lobbing insults. It's quite sad, actually. I really don't have a lot of respect for your elitism. Why would anyone want to engage you in an actual conversation when you treat them with disdain?
Unfortunately -- for your side of the argument -- fundamentalists due use talking points in today's political climate. So you may find it offensive, but I agree with the other poster. And please don't even try to talk about disdain. I might have to go back and quote some of your own posts.
Mark my words. If people like you keep voting GOP over some silly one-issue gripe, you're going to vote us right into the hands of people like Matt Shea. You claim what he proposes is illegal? Well, just wait until Trump & Co. stacks the Supreme Court with conservative, Republican, and devoutly religious judges. They already outnumber the liberal judges 6 to 4, if I remember correctly.
I actually don't think he killed for atheism. Any more than I think sick people kill because of religion. they kill because they are sick people.
stalin was clearly anti-religious. and, in part, he killed for it.
can you think of a way to neutralize such a superficial line of reasoning like "killed because of religion" and "killed because of anti-theism"?
Like I've said numerous times regarding Stalin, he didn't kill for religion and he certainly didn't kill for, or in the name of, atheism
His youth was marked by two seminol events - the death of his wife Ekaterina which essentially turned him into a sociopath.
The second involved his friendship with a fellow Bolshevik named Roman Melinkovsky. This friend was the first and only person (other than Ekaterina) that Stalin truely liked, befriended, and trusted. But, as it turned out, Melinkovsky was a secret spy for the Okhrana, the Tsarist secret police.
Melinkovksy eventually tricked Stalin into attending a fund-raiser where he was ambushed and arrested by the Okhrana and exiled to Siberia. This act of betrayal by his best friend hit him so hard that it essentially "switched on" his paranoia. He never trusted or befriended anyone again throughout his entire life.
Religion only played a cursory role in Stalin's early life. He went to seminary school in Tblisi, turned into a rather typical rebellious teen who revolted against the stifling church rules - and let's face it, religion has never been champions of freedom. Stalin's grades dropped, he grew his hair long, and started getting into Lenin's Marxist philosophies. Eventually he was marked by the police for his revolutionary ideas so he quit the seminary and became a full time activist for the cause of socialism and Marxism.
Much later, of course, he murdered millions in his famous purges - it was a big reason why the Nazis were so successful with Operation Barbarossa initially. Stalin had murdered damn near every military officer above the rank of captain. Which meant all of the lower officer ranks - lieutenants, 2nd lieutenants, captains, etc. were being bumped up to the rank of colonel and general without any relevant experience to be in charge of that many people.
This was done out of sheer paranoia. That was it. He was afraid of his military commanders and purged them all so they wouldn't try and overthrow him. With the exception of the famine that killed some 20 million people (which was entirely economic and had nothing to do with religion or atheism), everyone Stalin killed was due to paranoia. His anti-religion stance had really nothing to do with his time in seminary school. It had to do with Stalin not wanting his people to have two masters. He wanted his people to obey him, not God. He was worried that people may disobey him if what he wanted contradicted rules laid out in Christianity.
Now, obviously, the average Christian in the United States probably knows absolutely bupkiss about Russian history, so when poison-spewing hate-monger out there claims that Stalin et. al. commited their atrocities because of their atheism, what other authority is there? Because they're not going to look it up online or go to the library and check out a Russian history book. Of course not. They're just going to blindly and ignorantly accept the word of their pastor or the well-poisoning televangelists.
Bottom line is that the people arguing that Stalin's actions were all about atheism knows virtually nothing about Russian history. If they did, they wouldn't be blaming it on atheism anyway.
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