Pope Francis Calls for Change to Lord's Prayer (translation, bible, quote)

[otterhere]

Because, of course, Pope Francis knows better than the Lord!

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42279427

Biblical scholars, any legitimacy to the claim that it wasn't correctly translated?

[TroutDude]

His suggestion makes sense if one believes in a benevolent god.

[otterhere]

The same people probably think there would be no evil in the world if there were a benevolent god. Shouldn't we take God at his word? I didn't realize the prayer Jesus left us was up for debate.

[TroutDude]

Originally Posted by otterhere

The same people probably think there would be no evil in the world if there were a benevolent god. Shouldn't we take God at his word? I didn't realize the prayer Jesus left us was up for debate.

Only if you believe the collection of old pamphlets known as the bible contains god's words.

[otterhere]

I'm asking about the accurate translation of the language. Any linguists out there?

[TroutDude]

Originally Posted by otterhere

I'm asking about the accurate translation of the language. Any linguists out there?

Harry Diogenes will probably be along. He reads Koine Greek.

[Harry Diogenes]

Originally Posted by otterhere

Because, of course, Pope Francis knows better than the Lord!

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42279427

Biblical scholars, any legitimacy to the claim that it wasn't correctly translated?

καὶ μὴ εἰσενέγκῃς ἡμᾶς εἰς πειρασμόν, ἀλλὰ ῥῦσαι ἡμᾶς ἀπὸ τοῦ πονηροῦ ὅτι σοῦ ἐστιν ἡ βασιλεία καὶ ἡ δύναμις καὶ ἡ δόξα εἰς τοῦς αἰῶνας ἀμήν

"And not (lead / bring) us into into temptation but ... " etc, etc, etc.

[otterhere]

I figured... The original is perfectly fine. Thank you!

[Harry Diogenes]

Originally Posted by TroutDude

Harry Diogenes will probably be along. He reads Koine Greek.

And in a cloud of smoke I appear. Ta Da.

[nateswift]

Originally Posted by Harry Diogenes

And in a cloud of smoke I appear. Ta Da.

"speak of the...." wait....
Ok, so the greek in the manuscripts is fairly well translated. The question is whether the reporters gave the sense of what Jesus was saying. I, for one agree with the Pope, not that the translation is wrong, but the sense is inaccurate.