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Old 11-23-2018, 04:25 PM
 
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If God were a "perfect" designer, what would this world be like? Perfect comfort and convenience at every moment for every human bein

Of course. Isn't that perfection?


Is it a little arrogant for human beings to criticize how this world evolved?

No, especially given that in this belief system it is God who gave us minds.
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Old 11-23-2018, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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You are sharp, JerZ.

Couldn't rep you again.
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Old 11-24-2018, 12:54 PM
 
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Vegetarians, no natural disasters, no extremes of seasons (inexplicable to science so handy Evidence of a god ) no disease, limitation to human breeding linked to populace, less crazy emotions. a lot fewer dunderheads, oafs, and asshats. Anyone could do better than this.
The obvious illogic of assessing design with NO CLUE what the goal of the design IS seems somehow to escape your unwarranted claims of logic, Arq. Are you claiming to know what the goal of any design for humanity IS???
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Old 11-24-2018, 01:10 PM
 
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Well in fairness since the idea humanity was "designed" is complete baseless assumption from the outset - we can not really pour derision on anyone who plays the assumption game from there.

I mean not only can you not show we were designed - you offer squat when asked for evidence of a designer either.

If we reverse engineer our traits back to build possible goals of the assumed design however - it does not throw the designer into a good light. As the goal of the design appears to be that we all die - often involving immense suffering - and often by suffering that could be removed from the system by the simplest tweaks to the design.

And I rather expect that was the premise of the post you just replied to - rather than what you assigned to it.

The only way - after reverse engineering the current system - that appears possible to try and cast the imaginary designer in a good light - is to make further assumptions about this designers intentions towards us after death. Then the speaker tends to manufacture the kind of "Blessed are the X" narratives of how it all pays off in the imaginary after life. But such a speaker quickly divests themselves of any basis for deriding the assumptions of anyone else.
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Old 11-24-2018, 01:19 PM
 
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Young girls can have babies once they start menstruating, which is starting earlier and earlier.
Sounds like evolution at work. Global warming is going to start killing us in record numbers so girls will have to reproduce younger to keep man from going extinct.
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Old 11-24-2018, 01:21 PM
 
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Alas evolution does not work that way It does not look at something that is about to start happening and cause selection on that basis. Evolution has zero foresight.
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Old 11-24-2018, 01:30 PM
 
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Sounds like evolution at work. Global warming is going to start killing us in record numbers so girls will have to reproduce younger to keep man from going extinct.
The physical environment accounts for our carnal survival and evolution and only ancillarily impacts our spiritual evolution. As long as you do not believe in our spiritual evolution, you will remain confused.
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Old 11-24-2018, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Central IL
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what if you were dead by 20, like I am sure many were 100,000 to 20,000 years ago?

then what would you do?
How silly is that? Back then you either died in infancy/early childhood else you lived at least until what is currently middle-age. So the AVERAGE age was very young but the typical age was far different.

It makes no sense for a human who was healthy enough to get pregnant and give birth and then, on average, die at the age of 20 when the child was obviously far too young to care for itself - you can't count on a man to care for a child, you know - gosh, if your theory is correct there certainly wouldn't have even been any "grandmas" to help out either!
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Old 11-24-2018, 02:16 PM
 
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Well in fairness since the idea humanity was "designed" is complete baseless assumption from the outset - we can not really pour derision on anyone who plays the assumption game from there.

I mean not only can you not show we were designed - you offer squat when asked for evidence of a designer either.

If we reverse engineer our traits back to build possible goals of the assumed design however - it does not throw the designer into a good light. As the goal of the design appears to be that we all die - often involving immense suffering - and often by suffering that could be removed from the system by the simplest tweaks to the design.

And I rather expect that was the premise of the post you just replied to - rather than what you assigned to it.

The only way - after reverse engineering the current system - that appears possible to try and cast the imaginary designer in a good light - is to make further assumptions about this designers intentions towards us after death. Then the speaker tends to manufacture the kind of "Blessed are the X" narratives of how it all pays off in the imaginary after life. But such a speaker quickly divests themselves of any basis for deriding the assumptions of anyone else.
we were designed. we were as designed as you designed a red blood cell in you. thats closer to the truth than claiming 'no design at all". it fact, its a more valid claim.

we can argue that there is no omni-god thing-a-ma-gig, that's true enough. But once we start nailing down what is going on around us, flat denial of everything, just because of how arg feels about religion becomes nonsensical.

that's the claim. thats what mystic said.
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Old 11-24-2018, 02:24 PM
 
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How silly is that? Back then you either died in infancy/early childhood else you lived at least until what is currently middle-age. So the AVERAGE age was very young but the typical age was far different.

It makes no sense for a human who was healthy enough to get pregnant and give birth and then, on average, die at the age of 20 when the child was obviously far too young to care for itself - you can't count on a man to care for a child, you know - gosh, if your theory is correct there certainly wouldn't have even been any "grandmas" to help out either!
err, my theory is correct. people died of all sorts of reasons. They had to kick out the kids.

look at what you said. "people that lived; lived to middle age", yes, but many didn't live so the offspring had to be born as soon as physically able. a teenager gave birth, raised a youngin, and died in their early twenties. The tribe had a warrior, cleaner, minder ... maybe a few.

I have no idea how people don't understand that the universe created us as fast, and as best, as it could given the conditions.

from hydrogen to humans in 4.5 billion years ... lmao, from rat to man in 65 million years. from ape to man in under 7 million years. sperm/egg to person in ten months. no ba-jesus christ thats a fast set of times.
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