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Old 11-21-2018, 05:13 AM
 
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Young girls can have babies once they start menstruating, which is starting earlier and earlier.

I am wondering if teen pregnancy is "wrong," then is "God" also wrong for designing young girls to be able to conceive at young ages?

Please do not quote scripture, but think about this question, and give a thoughtful response as to why a human being would be designed in a way that would then be frowned upon and difficult to interfere with (as in birth control, abortion, etc.).

It seems like a simple design flaw. If women are not "supposed" to give birth until age 20 say (just picked an arbitrary number), then why would "God" design them capable of having babies at age 10 through teens when they are unable to support themselves, act independently, or have the maturity to parent a child?
lmao. all it proves is that if there is a god he/she/undecided understands more then we do. I have to laugh when humans insert human morals into universal laws.

try this on for size: what is wrong is people thinking that just because a person can have a child doesn't mean they are exempt from natural consequences.
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Old 11-21-2018, 11:30 AM
 
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The whole premise is silly since it's referring to the artificial standards of today and in countries like ours.

In other times and other places the ages at which people were expected to do or not do something is/was vastly different than our current arbitrary ones.
The former standards were artificial (if you will) too. Primarily for dominance and control (including land control and religious control, as well as inheritance) reasons. It's all "artificial" if there is not literal choice going on, and there sure wasn't in bygone eras.

In addition, it is not just culturally arbitrary that a 13-year-old girl 's growth can be physically affected by a pregnancy, that her chances are increased of bsaring a child with genetic defects, or that it girls still had children starting from very early ages and raising children, their education would be cut off due to time issues alone and we'd neighborhoods backward in that regard too.

Biology doesn't "care" about that, it tends to literal survival. If we were to dumb down in this manner it wouldn't be a crisis for the earth. Many animals survive with no intellectual education and with many many mothers and young dyimg. Therefore, humans, like other animals, have as long a reproductive life as possible, no matter what the risks, including physical.

So no, it's not outmoded and arbitrary to attempt to keep 12-year-olds from giving birth. It's compassionate, it's intelligent, and it shows that we want to keep advancing, not become like scratching animals again. That part IS about choice - a biologically human hallmark - and it makes sense.
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Old 11-21-2018, 11:37 AM
 
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You are rude.

Beyond that, I have not a clue what your remark means.

If "God" designed humans, then "he" designed them to function in a certain way, and that, of course, would include menstruation.

* Never mind. I read some of your posts. You sound like a real *******.
And he's going to continue to be a rude bigot as long as people ignore him and let him.
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Old 11-21-2018, 11:43 AM
 
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I think I did not state my question accurately.

I am looking for logical explanations from people who believe in "God."

IF YOU believe in God, then what is YOUR EXPLANATION as to why "God" would allow young GIRLS to have babies? YOUNG GIRLS (of any cultural, and at any time in history, excepting tribal life) HAVE NO WAY TO CARE FOR OR SUPPORT BABIES.

So, was this a design flaw by "God" (who is all-knowing, supposedly) - to design GIRLS to have BABIES when "he" knows full-well in today's society (or at any time except in tribal times/cultures when someone else would raise the kids) that this is unworkable?????

Looking for logic from believers in God, re: design flaw in girls.
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Old 11-21-2018, 11:49 AM
 
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I think I did not state my question accurately.

I am looking for logical explanations from people who believe in "God."

IF YOU believe in God, then what is YOUR EXPLANATION as to why "God" would allow young GIRLS to have babies? YOUNG GIRLS (of any cultural, and at any time in history, excepting tribal life) HAVE NO WAY TO CARE FOR OR SUPPORT BABIES.

So, was this a design flaw by "God" (who is all-knowing, supposedly) - to design GIRLS to have BABIES when "he" knows full-well in today's society (or at any time except in tribal times/cultures when someone else would raise the kids) that this is unworkable?????

Looking for logic from believers in God, re: design flaw in girls.
Well, look at how old Mary was when she carried baby Jesus, between 12 and 14 yrs old. I dont think age is that big of a deal to God, and if you look at history and the modern world, its MAN, who has put such a strong emphasis on age.
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Old 11-21-2018, 12:29 PM
 
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Well, look at how old Mary was when she carried baby Jesus, between 12 and 14 yrs old. I dont think age is that big of a deal to God, and if you look at history and the modern world, its MAN, who has put such a strong emphasis on age.
Yes, I was just about to bring that up.
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Old 11-21-2018, 12:33 PM
 
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And he's going to continue to be a rude bigot as long as people ignore him and let him.
Poor, sad Fundie.

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Old 11-21-2018, 12:47 PM
 
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The whole premise is silly since it's referring to the artificial standards of today and in countries like ours.

In other times and other places the ages at which people were expected to do or not do something is/was vastly different than our current arbitrary ones.
true.

if today's 45 is yesterday's 35; that imply's that today's 28 is yesterdays 18. And we definitely see that playing out in high school and early college. when I was a senior I knew I had 10 months to leave.
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Old 11-21-2018, 01:19 PM
 
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Well, look at how old Mary was when she carried baby Jesus, between 12 and 14 yrs old. I dont think age is that big of a deal to God, and if you look at history and the modern world, its MAN, who has put such a strong emphasis on age.
It is?

Have you ever been a 12-year-old child lying underneath a 30-year-old man who was saying "Stop crying, this is a good thing, I'm going to make you a Mommy"?

Do you think 12-year-olds naturally gravitate to adult males for sex? And that God planned it that way?

Because if you believe Mary's (assumed) age constitutes what God wants, and that means you believe all the other allowable things in the Old Testament were what God wanted too. Do you? Slavery, paying a fine and marrying a girl for raping her, and all the rest?

In reality, if anything is man's construct, it's these "I'll be the dominant one" rules in the name of an ever-changing perception of "God." It is wildly different among cultures, time periods, etc. That alone should prove that just ONE point in time, among one small category of people, probably didn't happen to hit the mark and be exactly "what God wanted."
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Old 11-21-2018, 01:31 PM
 
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Well, look at how old Mary was when she carried baby Jesus, between 12 and 14 yrs old. I dont think age is that big of a deal to God, and if you look at history and the modern world, its MAN, who has put such a strong emphasis on age.
I agree with this, BUT you forgot that young girls cannot support themselves, so now what?
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