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Any assumptions I made are consistent with the premise I present
* he grew up in an unhealthy Christian environment. I mean when a mother tells a newspaper, "I know my son is alive because I prayed for him" when every news media has reports of him being dragged dead on the beach you have to know the mother is looney tunes.
* he wasn't just short, he was extremely short as you can tell from this pic:
* This obsession took such hold of him that he believed with all his heart that God had called him to be a missionary to the islands to convert them. But the reality is that neither God or had a thing to do with his mission to the Sentinelese any more than God or Jesus has anything to do with my single-minded purpose to get the prettiest girl in high school to go to the prom with me.
"Jazus wants me to go to the prom with that girl. He told me so in a vision. I know it is His will that I take Mary Sue Gorgeous to the prom. I just know it!"
The problem with all this is that if someone as passionately dedicated to Jesus as John Chau was couldn't rely on God to protect him, then what does this mean for the Christian faith in general and other Christians passionate about Jesus too?
This is why the title of the thread asserts Jesus is imaginary: because there isn't a single instance where it has been demonstrated that ANY action undertaken by a Christian for Jesus' sake was ever initiated by Jesus. Plainly, Jesus cannot protect his own. He promised Christians in John that no one was going to pluck them out of his hands and yet Christians, even Christian children, get raped, maligned, tortured and murdered every minute of the day. Christians can rationalize all they want that Jesus was talking spiritually, not physically, but isn't that just the biggest cop-out you ever heard? But what else are you to offer skeptics when all the evidence points to a non-existent Jesus?????
Now a Christian friend is coming forward saying he too believes there's a strong possibility Chau may still be alive.
This is what Christianity does to the human mind. It twists the mind so badly that good percentage of Christians get completely delusional. 3 cases in point: John Chau, John Chau's mother and John Chau's friend.
I wouldn't mind Christianity so much if it wasn't based on a complete fabrication for which there isn't a dime's worth of hard evidence it's avatar exists. More to the point, all I ask is that Jesus help a person like John Chau, even if that person is going to put his life in danger mistakenly trying to do something that benefits Jesus as John Chau did.
Is that too much to ask of Jesus?
I am not doubting that an extreme view created by his religious view drove home there and to ignore the warnings the islanders gave him. I just doubt that his age would eliminate his ability to get into a good school or short men cannot find a woman.
He certainly had an intense and unnatural obsession.
I am not doubting that an extreme view created by his religious view drove home there and to ignore the warnings the islanders gave him. I just doubt that his age would eliminate his ability to get into a good school or short men cannot find a woman.
He certainly had an intense and unnatural obsession.
What I wrote wasn't intended to apply to all men short or otherwise. It's just a likely profile based on the most probable outcome of a given set of specifics. Short men do find willing partners and in many cases partners who are much taller than they are. Likewise men get into medical school in their 40's and go on to become specialists. But given what we know about John Chau neither of these scenarios were probable, maybe even possible. If you read the Psychology Today article you would have read that
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...mostwomen feel that short men aren't relationship material...short men believe that women see them as less than or deficient...
Please notice that I qualified that with "MOST". This is consistent with John Chau focusing so obsessively on his "relationship with Jesus". Jesus might have become his substitute for a missing girlfriend. Christians girls fall in love with Jesus all the time. So do men. Hang on to your seat:
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Many pastors and teachers are doubling-down on the relational language – encouraging their flocks to “fall in love with Jesus†or “have a love affair with Jesus.â€
This kind of romantic imagery seems to be popping up everywhere. “I fell in love with Jesus at the age of 15,†said a man giving his testimony at a banquet I recently attended. I heard another man describing his “passionate love affair with the Savior†at a men’s retreat.
You think I am making this stuff up but I am deadly serious. There is more aberrant Christian romance with Jesus going on out there in churches and Christian social circles than you can ever imagine. Notice I used the word "aberrant". Though this was never mentioned in anything in the news, again this type of unnatural "attraction" to a mythological character is totally consistent with the portrait the news has painted of John Chau--obsessively consumed with Jesus. And I'll stop there because this isn't a psychology thread, it's a thread on the how's and whys' John Chou might have gotten himself killed over a mythological character out of the Bible.
What I wrote wasn't intended to apply to all men short or otherwise. It's just a likely profile based on the most probable outcome of a given set of specifics. Short men do find willing partners and in many cases partners who are much taller than they are. Likewise men get into medical school in their 40's and go on to become specialists. But given what we know about John Chau neither of these scenarios were probable, maybe even possible. If you read the Psychology Today article you would have read that
Please notice that I qualified that with "MOST". This is consistent with John Chau focusing so obsessively on his "relationship with Jesus". Jesus might have become his substitute for a missing girlfriend. Christians girls fall in love with Jesus all the time. So do men. Hang on to your seat:
You think I am making this stuff up but I am deadly serious. There is more aberrant Christian romance with Jesus going on out there in churches and Christian social circles than you can ever imagine. Notice I used the word "aberrant". Though this was never mentioned in anything in the news, again this type of unnatural "attraction" to a mythological character is totally consistent with the portrait the news has painted of John Chau--obsessively consumed with Jesus. And I'll stop there because this isn't a psychology thread, it's a thread on the how's and whys' John Chou might have gotten himself killed over a mythological character out of the Bible.
Since you mentioned it earlier, what is your background in psychology?
Since you mentioned it earlier, what is your background in psychology?
I majored in it--took the core curriculum including a few classes in abnormal psychology, my intended field of MA/PhD study--but I decided not to graduate with it and went in a different direction of study.
So you've been on the front lines. I feel for you. In my Christian churchgoing days as a 20-something I had to beat Christian girls off with a stick they flirted so badly. But when things got a little serious when we were alone they'd freeze up and flee. Then they were back to their intense flirting the next Sunday. It was surreal. This happened in every church I attended.
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No time to read all comments, but these 'missionaries' don't go to help. They go to convert. I would not wish death on anyone, but their thinking it's ethical to invade no contact tribes to 'convert the heathens' wreaks arrogance and things Jesus taught against.. This isn't the attitude of only Xtians either, but they seem to be the majority. I get their are some well meaning missionaries but I feel most can't deal with real life on the home front so willing to risk their family and themselves let alone spreading diseases to these people..Indeed a martyr complex perhaps combined with laziness. Also most world religions are based on delusions, which means Islam too..
As for 'saving God protecting' it reminds me of the drowning man story. https://truthbook.com/stories/funny-...e-drowning-man
No time to read all comments, but these 'missionaries' don't go to help. They go to convert. I would not wish death on anyone, but their thinking it's ethical to invade no contact tribes to 'convert the heathens' wreaks arrogance and things Jesus taught against.. This isn't the attitude of only Xtians either, but they seem to be the majority. I get their are some well meaning missionaries but I feel most can't deal with real life on the home front so willing to risk their family and themselves let alone spreading diseases to these people..Indeed a martyr complex perhaps combined with laziness. Also most world religions are based on delusions, which means Islam too..
As for 'saving God protecting' it reminds me of the drowning man story. https://truthbook.com/stories/funny-...e-drowning-man
Last line of this infamous and wildly inaccurate moral tale:
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To this God replied, "I sent you a rowboat and a motorboat and a helicopter, what more did you expect?"
to which I add the question "So who did God sent to the Christians in Honduras when mudslides killed thousands including hundreds of little children in villages nestled against the mountains after Hurricane Mitch struck in 1998?
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Last line of this infamous and wildly inaccurate moral tale:
to which I add the question "So who did God sent to the Christians in Honduras when mudslides killed thousands including hundreds of little children in villages nestled against the mountains after Hurricane Mitch struck in 1998?
The helicopter and rowboat is an old parable and works in the way it is gives credit to God for anything natural that is good.
I know of no parables that deals with the bad, other than Job. It is loathesome. and I can't imagine why it is held up as an uplifting tale.
When really bad stuff happens, well you get the mean attempts to screw some propaganda point out of a bad business. Hand out some rice and Bibles in a famine and say what wonderful work the church is doing. Blame destruction on gays and atheists being allowed to exist. Organise a praisegod -session when one person is gotten alive out of a disaster that killed dozens. The infamous 'God just letting us know he's there' by sending a disaster must have done a lot to drive the figures of irreligion up.
And here we are again with Some trying to make this interfering idiot into a martyr. Natural disasters are one thing; religion warping a man's mind so that he does criminally foolish things is another.
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