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I checked the newpaper today, as well as CNN and MSNBC. I didn't see anything about the collapse of christianity based on your "proof".
You make some good points, but you way overreach, and as a result you diminish your position. It's hyperbole.
Me Baptist Fundie? I guess you really haven't been keeping up. I consider him to be a nemesis.
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I didn't see anything about the collapse of christianity based on your "proof".
Nor should you expect it to collapse simply because I demonstrate Jesus is imaginary. Christians are lemmings. They don't know a single thing about their own religion; they never read their own holy book and they just play follow the leader with whoever happens to be leading them from the pulpit that Sunday morning.
Again, I cannot definitively prove a negative--no one can. But I can put forth enough evidence to make a convincing case for the negative and let the people who have enough of an open mind to decide for themselves where the truth lies. You're 50-50, I think you said, so you couldn't be convinced I don't think. But I and a few others are proof positive a Christian fundamentalist can change his mind when enough evidence is presented to make the idea Jesus is imaginary so convincing they have no choice but to believe such.
I've demonstrated Jesus has never answered a single prayer over a 2000-year history contrary to what the gospels say. I've demonstrated Jesus hasn't made a visible appearance on earth in 2000 years contrary to what the gospels say. I've demonstrated Jesus doesn't alter a single event in this world except by the power people mistakenly attribute to him. All this should be more than enough to convince a person that
Nor should you expect it to collapse simply because I demonstrate Jesus is imaginary. Christians are lemmings. They don't know a single thing about their own religion; they never read their own holy book and they just play follow the leader with whoever happens to be leading them from the pulpit that Sunday morning.
Again, I cannot definitively prove a negative--no one can. But I can put forth enough evidence to make a convincing case for the negative and let the people who have enough of an open mind to decide for themselves where the truth lies. You're 50-50, I think you said, so you couldn't be convinced I don't think. But I and a few others are proof positive a Christian fundamentalist can change his mind when enough evidence is presented to make the idea Jesus is imaginary so convincing they have no choice but to believe such.
I've demonstrated Jesus has never answered a single prayer over a 2000-year history contrary to what the gospels say. I've demonstrated Jesus hasn't made a visible appearance on earth in 2000 years contrary to what the gospels say. I've demonstrated Jesus doesn't alter a single event in this world except by the power people mistakenly attribute to him. All this should be more than enough to convince a person that
JESUS IS IMAGINARY
No. You haven't proved that.
I think you're probably right. But you haven't proved that.
You're not even reading what I already wrote.
The conversation with you is over.
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Here's a pretty good blog entry that I think sums up the problem of Jesus being real or imaginary:
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Jesus certainly qualifies as imaginary when you consider that: you can’t see him, you can’t hear him, you can’t smell him, you can’t feel him. Thus, Jesus only exists in your imagination or in some special invisible spirit realm, but he is not “real” in any normal sense of the word. People may say they can hear Jesus but they are not using the word “hear” in the normal sense either. What they mean by “hear” is that they talk to their imaginary friend and then wait for a nice warm fuzzy feeling and then they call that “the voice of the Lord”.
I have posted this before. The whole "I have a personal relationship with Jesus" has to be the most delusional thing ever. It's proof positive that you can convince gullible people of anything if you say it enough times. These Christians have probably heard that stupid personal relationship thing hundreds of times since they were children attending services. Then they grow up still believing that nonsense. Some wake up and realize it was all nonsense, others stay asleep in their brainwashed ignorance. If you tell Catholics that some bread wafer turns into the body of some dead savior enough times, you can get them to believe that garbage also.
why don't you just ask jesus to give you $100,000. If he exists he'll say yes or no and not just in your mind. If he doesn't exist all you'll hear is silence which is what i'm betting will happen. There's your proof jesus is imaginary.
Any assumptions I made are consistent with the premise I present
* he grew up in an unhealthy Christian environment. I mean when a mother tells a newspaper, "I know my son is alive because I prayed for him" when every news media has reports of him being dragged dead on the beach you have to know the mother is looney tunes.
* he wasn't just short, he was extremely short as you can tell from this pic:
* This obsession took such hold of him that he believed with all his heart that God had called him to be a missionary to the islands to convert them. But the reality is that neither God or had a thing to do with his mission to the Sentinelese any more than God or Jesus has anything to do with my single-minded purpose to get the prettiest girl in high school to go to the prom with me.
"Jazus wants me to go to the prom with that girl. He told me so in a vision. I know it is His will that I take Mary Sue Gorgeous to the prom. I just know it!"
The problem with all this is that if someone as passionately dedicated to Jesus as John Chau was couldn't rely on God to protect him, then what does this mean for the Christian faith in general and other Christians passionate about Jesus too?
This is why the title of the thread asserts Jesus is imaginary: because there isn't a single instance where it has been demonstrated that ANY action undertaken by a Christian for Jesus' sake was ever initiated by Jesus. Plainly, Jesus cannot protect his own. He promised Christians in John that no one was going to pluck them out of his hands and yet Christians, even Christian children, get raped, maligned, tortured and murdered every minute of the day. Christians can rationalize all they want that Jesus was talking spiritually, not physically, but isn't that just the biggest cop-out you ever heard? But what else are you to offer skeptics when all the evidence points to a non-existent Jesus?????
Now a Christian friend is coming forward saying he too believes there's a strong possibility Chau may still be alive.
This is what Christianity does to the human mind. It twists the mind so badly that good percentage of Christians get completely delusional. 3 cases in point: John Chau, John Chau's mother and John Chau's friend.
I wouldn't mind Christianity so much if it wasn't based on a complete fabrication for which there isn't a dime's worth of hard evidence it's avatar exists. More to the point, all I ask is that Jesus help a person like John Chau, even if that person is going to put his life in danger mistakenly trying to do something that benefits Jesus as John Chau did.
Is that too much to ask of Jesus?
The delusions of Christians know no bounds. You can clearly see that on display here on a daily basis. I feel pity for the guy that he grew up in that fundie environment and then made the stupid decision to try to spread those delusions to some people that want to be left alone.
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There's your proof jesus is imaginary.
