Metaphor or real: Jesus went thru walls, walked on water? (gospel, protestants)
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I certainly don't. I take the Gospel claim at face value - claims that something really happened. I wonder how many Christians would consider the resurrection metaphorical. Dude was dead; stayed dead. Resurrection was a metaphor of ...belief in Jesus being some role model or something. I don;t buy that and i don't buy any of the Jesus -stories as being metaphorical.
Which isn't to say that their being invented (I believe that, allright) was to make a teaching point. Very often Polemic. The netful of fish has symbolism. The shekel -eating fish is about Christians not being obligated to pay the temple -tax (which Jews collected even after the destruction of the Temple), and Sinking Simon (like the accusation of speaking as men speak, not as God) is this odd attitude towards Cephas - that he was somehow lacking in Faith and letting Jesus down. And at a time when I am sure they hadn't actually got Paul's letters and didn't know about the row over sitting with gentiles. Though Christianity had clearly been talking about Paul's mission and the part that the apostles played in it.
What can one expect when Jesus - story screenplay is built on OT passages presented as 'Prophecy'? Like the spear -stab, or Judas throwing the silver into the Temple.
Trans, you have some interesting ideas. But I could never take you seriously as a Bible scholar.
I certainly don't. I take the Gospel claim at face value - claims that something really happened. I wonder how many Christians would consider the resurrection metaphorical. Dude was dead; stayed dead. Resurrection was a metaphor of ...belief in Jesus being some role model or something. I don;t buy that and i don't buy any of the Jesus -stories as being metaphorical.
Which isn't to say that their being invented (I believe that, allright) was to make a teaching point. Very often Polemic. The netful of fish has symbolism. The shekel -eating fish is about Christians not being obligated to pay the temple -tax (which Jews collected even after the destruction of the Temple), and Sinking Simon (like the accusation of speaking as men speak, not as God) is this odd attitude towards Cephas - that he was somehow lacking in Faith and letting Jesus down. And at a time when I am sure they hadn't actually got Paul's letters and didn't know about the row over sitting with gentiles. Though Christianity had clearly been talking about Paul's mission and the part that the apostles played in it.
What can one expect when Jesus - story screenplay is built on OT passages presented as 'Prophecy'? Like the spear -stab, or Judas throwing the silver into the Temple.
lmao, just like I thought. you and fundy's take the bible literally. lmao, its the way way you can navigate this world, with your little comfy blankie. brain age. some brains just stop maturing. often at an event that one never gets over.
again, regulars get caught in a war between literally true and literally false. neither really useful in the end but as cannon fodder.
Who does? But I would like to get my Pet Theory Out There sometime. Because it happens to be right, that's if evidence and logic counts for anything.
lmao, until evidence and logic put your claim of "deny everything" as less valid that is. You, like the fundy theist had to shun a more valid claim. Yours, like the fundy theist, world view is less valid and why your sect of atheism will always be out numbered by those that believe something.
Its that way precisely because evidence and logic do not support your base claims.
If it was a metaphor, it had to be a metaphor for something. Since a metaphor is something that represents or symbolizes something else, it would be useless if we were unable to identify that which it represented.
I believe so, but not in this life. I see it as being possible at some point during our post-mortal existence in the world to come.
But it's easy and kind of obvious. Throughout time the gods have been said to fly, float, rise to the sky, etc. The stories are meant to prove that the being is immortal, a god, because it can do impossible things, and specifically, the flying, levitating, etc. thing is an old classic. In this story somebody kicked it up a notch with the hero being above water, but that's like a magician making an elephant appear instead of a rabbit. Same magic trick with a twist to attempt to prove it's different somehow, this time.
Now, metaphors. In a pragmatic way the story shows the being (in this case, Jesus) can do something no human can do; in a metaphorical way it shows that the being is "higher than" humans, although frankly, I kind of think you have to be pretty high to believe it in the first place. JMO.
Now, metaphors. In a pragmatic way the story shows the being (in this case, Jesus) can do something no human can do; in a metaphorical way it shows that the being is "higher than" humans,
although frankly, I kind of think you have to be pretty high to believe it in the first place. JMO.
Disagree, my friend....Jesus was showing humans COULD do the same stuff....so in other
words, "Wake up and realize who you are, kids! Come up an smell the roses as I am!"
Sure, he was also doing stuff to get people's attention...signs and wonders are very cool.
Oh, and thank you.
I think a metaphor for walking on water could be several things. The obvious is that Jesus could manipulate the laws of nature, but I think it was supposed to be more. The disciples are in the boat, and they are scared in the storm and Christ is telling them to focus on him and not be afraid. There's an obvious metaphor in there with "storm" as a common metaphor for difficulties in life.
My favorite metaphor came from a fellow member of the theological study course I took through the Episcopal Church. She saw the "Jesus Feeding The Five Thousand" story as an illustration of the multiplication of love and compassion as it passes from one to another to another to another.
I think a metaphor for walking on water could be several things. The obvious is that Jesus could manipulate the laws of nature, but I think it was supposed to be more. The disciples are in the boat, and they are scared in the storm and Christ is telling them to focus on him and not be afraid. There's an obvious metaphor in there with "storm" as a common metaphor for difficulties in life.
My favorite metaphor came from a fellow member of the theological study course I took through the Episcopal Church. She saw the "Jesus Feeding The Five Thousand" story as an illustration of the multiplication of love and compassion as it passes from one to another to another to another.
I find that quite convincing. The metaphorical aspect applied to how it was for the Christians of the 2nd c seems likely. I shall keep that in mind. We al know that many of these sayings have a teaching point. Pretty obvious. But that there could be a metaphorical teaching -point in his actions didn't get into my literal head so much.
Disagree, my friend....Jesus was showing humans COULD do the same stuff....so in other
words, "Wake up and realize who you are, kids! Come up an smell the roses as I am!"
Sure, he was also doing stuff to get people's attention...signs and wonders are very cool.
Oh, and thank you.
Who? Who walks on water and through walls? Who comes alive after being dead for three days?
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But I would like to get my Pet Theory Out There sometime. Because it happens to be right, that's if evidence and logic counts for anything.
Who comes alive after being dead for three days?
