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There are good dreams to have. And the reason Jesus is so popular is because of the truth behind his miracles. I think that atheists have the same dream for ending hunger and have the same belief that it can be ended with social justice.
Can't people understand that religious and atheist goals are the same?
Uh, no, LOL. As you show by quoting me above, I was making a distinction between the two, even stating which was pragmatic and which was metaphorical. ("Prove" was one strong hint to this, if you missed it. Feel free to re-read.)
Okay, having read your comments a second time, I sort of see what you were getting at. Sort of.
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You also need to drop the quotation marks at the end of the second paragraph you wrote...at least of you want to qualify as someone who can (and should) correct another's grammar.
Actually, I should just have proof-read my post. Had I done so, I'd have started it with a quote (since it was a direct copy and paste from Webster), and left the quote there at the end. I should probably have changed the quotes around "you're a peach" to be single quotes instead. I plead lazy, though, not ignorant.
Walking through walls is an easy metaphor to understand. Walking on water isn't coming to me so quickly, though if I give it some thought, I'll find it.
Perhaps because it is not a metaphor, it is probably a rewrite of Moses and Joshua dividing the red sea and the Jordan. Jesus in this story is the new, improved Moses, the new, improved Joshua.
There are good dreams to have. And the reason Jesus is so popular is because of the truth behind his miracles. I think that atheists have the same dream for ending hunger and have the same belief that it can be ended with social justice.
Can't people understand that religious and atheist goals are the same?
What 'Truth' behind his miracles? Nothing that can help us today, is my view. And the realisation of dreams is more likely to be achieved through reason and science (and, yes, I know, science advance has been excellent, but reason not so much). We have the same dream, but we think that your proposals for realising them are the wrong ones.
I think a metaphor for walking on water could be several things. The obvious is that Jesus could manipulate the laws of nature, but I think it was supposed to be more. The disciples are in the boat, and they are scared in the storm and Christ is telling them to focus on him and not be afraid. There's an obvious metaphor in there with "storm" as a common metaphor for difficulties in life.
But then we get the question, why was Jesus walking past them in the original gospel, Mark? Did that have some meaning? The closest I can see is that part of the story is taken from Job 9:8-11, where God walks on water and goes by unseen.
He alone stretches out the heavens and treads on the waves of the sea. He is the Maker of the Bear and Orion, the Pleiades and the constellations of the south. He performs wonders that cannot be fathomed, miracles that cannot be counted. When he passes me, I cannot see him;when he goes by, I cannot perceive him.
Perhaps it is a metaphor for Jesus being the son of God as Paul says he is.
This is such a great point, but OTOH, there's literal magic thrown in there. So it's not just lending a helping hand that's the full point of the story, IMO. In the story Jesus walks on water, stops the storm mystically, apparently just by his stepping onto the boat, then walks Peter on top of water. He doesn't steer the boat safely to shore or something in any non-metaphysical way.
They go to shore in the original Mark. Peter walking on the water is from the later Matthew. Another metaphor about believers.
So what you're saying is that we can do these things and we don't need Jesus to do them, and anyone of any religion can do them (I am assuming the yogis you read about weren't Christian), hence, Christianity is defunct. Since the entire premise is that we NEED Jesus. Otherwise it's no different from Hindus doing magic?
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I'm not aware that Hindus do magic. I also don't know of any Hindus that don't respect or hold Jesus
as QUITE special...each one would be different in their feelings, so...but, I know what many write about Jesus. Oh my, they love him.
We were born with God-given 'powers'....all of us are creating our own little reality. right now...
As a man thinketh, remember...James Allen said in 1903: "A man is literally what he thinks,
his character being the complete sum of all his thoughts."
(In other words ,this is not some new agey thing or something I made up...this truth has been around forever!)
Can an atheist walk on water, of course...can an atheist become a billionaire, of course, why not?
The sun shines on the criminal and the saint.
The right mind, the right understanding, the right beliefs, a lack of self imposed-limitations....
you can go to the moon.
Oh, what they are discovering with quantum physics.
Jesus knew about atoms and what was what ... now it's our time to use our minds and will
to do amazing things...I have for decades.
Believe and receive...simple formula.
There is no magic, my friend....it's just you don't know how they did it!
Jesus knew this place was an illusion and could effect atoms easily....he knew just exactly the power a thought had on matter. Ha, as if there is matter...matter doesn't exist....frozen energy... slowed down light.
This thread is about walking through walls and/or on water. Discussions about grammar and punctuation are for the Writing forum. Trust me, the Mighty Queen herself has had to learn to let such things go in years of posting on this forum.
Yes. He did it. No...we cannot do the same, because we're not God.
Well, when Jesus walked on water during the storm, he told Peter he could do the same thing, if he had faith and Peter DID walk on water (for a short time), but he still did it.
I think we are capable of this and MUCH more, but unfortunately we do not yet know how to use or access this part of our body/mind.
Well, when Jesus walked on water during the storm, he told Peter he could do the same thing, if he had faith and Peter DID walk on water (for a short time), but he still did it.
I think we are capable of this and MUCH more, but unfortunately we do not yet know how to use or access this part of our body/mind.
We're gettin' there!
BF, Peter wasn't 'God'...It's not just Jesus that can do what we define as miracles.
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Actually, I should just have proof-read my post. Had I done so, I'd have started it with a quote (since it was a direct copy and paste from Webster), and left the quote there at the end. I should probably have changed the quotes around "you're a peach" to be single quotes instead. I plead lazy, though, not ignorant.
