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Old 12-02-2018, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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In Canada doctor assisted suicide is legal. There are procedures to go through in order to be qualified to have this done. In Alberta seniors or others living in Catholic operated facilities go through the procedures however they cannot have the interviews done within the facility, including their private room. Some have to be wheelchair driven out through the snow, in weather as cold as minus 32C in order to be interviewed for the mental assessment in a bus shelter., There are now several cases going through the Alberta courts system of this happening in both Edmonton and Calgary.

I bring this up to show both the fact that religious people do in fact commit suicide , or wish to, but also at least one religious organization that shows little, if any empathy for those wishing to escape terrible pain that will never end and whose quality of life is rapidly deminishing.

The rules for assisted suicide are very strict and people who are allowed are not simply feeling a lille depressed.

Maybe the Commandment for not making false testimony is actually taught as only a suggestion or as thY shall make false testimony against those you do not agree with. That might explain many things about why evangelicals support who they do and why Jeff makes so many false clsims.
Somewhat similar in Colorado.
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Old 12-02-2018, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Oregon also has Physician assisted suicide. There are a bunch of conditions that have to apply. Things like; 6 months to live. Two Physician's have to approve the request. It happens, but it's pretty rare. It's a comfort to me, knowing that this option is available.
I think Colorado somewhat followed Oregon's plan.
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Old 12-02-2018, 12:01 PM
 
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Oregon also has Physician assisted suicide. There are a bunch of conditions that have to apply. Things like; 6 months to live. Two Physician's have to approve the request. It happens, but it's pretty rare. It's a comfort to me, knowing that this option is available.
Yeah, but the 6 months to live part of the rules doesn't help at all - well not as much as it should.

There are people out there with literally zero quality of life who do not have terminal diseases. They may have to endure decades of misery - and this is likely to become even more of a problem now that this country is going ape over the whole opioid crisis. Just wait and see what happens when tens of thousands of people who suffer from miserable chronic pain start getting denied their pain pills.

They'll be miserable, have no quality of life and yet can't get doctor assisted suicide. Which means they'll have to do it on their own. That is often messy and far more traumatic for the family.

Putting a clause requiring the disease to be terminal was unnecessary and cruel. But that's about what I've come to expect from this country.
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Old 12-02-2018, 12:36 PM
 
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Yeah, but the 6 months to live part of the rules doesn't help at all - well not as much as it should.

There are people out there with literally zero quality of life who do not have terminal diseases. They may have to endure decades of misery - and this is likely to become even more of a problem now that this country is going ape over the whole opioid crisis. Just wait and see what happens when tens of thousands of people who suffer from miserable chronic pain start getting denied their pain pills.

They'll be miserable, have no quality of life and yet can't get doctor assisted suicide. Which means they'll have to do it on their own. That is often messy and far more traumatic for the family.

Putting a clause requiring the disease to be terminal was unnecessary and cruel. But that's about what I've come to expect from this country.
I don't know if Canada s requires a terminal disease or six months to live. It certainly was designed to prevent people with temporary problems but I do know that advocates do say it is too restricted. At least it's national.
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Old 12-02-2018, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Yeah, but the 6 months to live part of the rules doesn't help at all - well not as much as it should.

There are people out there with literally zero quality of life who do not have terminal diseases. They may have to endure decades of misery - and this is likely to become even more of a problem now that this country is going ape over the whole opioid crisis. Just wait and see what happens when tens of thousands of people who suffer from miserable chronic pain start getting denied their pain pills.

They'll be miserable, have no quality of life and yet can't get doctor assisted suicide. Which means they'll have to do it on their own. That is often messy and far more traumatic for the family.

Putting a clause requiring the disease to be terminal was unnecessary and cruel. But that's about what I've come to expect from this country.
I think you're looking at this the wrong way.

I agree that the law(s) is(are) not what they should be. But it's moving in the right direction. This is not something that's going to go from 0 to 100 mph is ten seconds. It's going to be a gradual fight, and while that may not serve individuals, as a society massive rapid change is not always well thought out.
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Old 12-02-2018, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Red River Texas
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It's why I can't talk to the fellow. He simply has no interest in what is so, only what he would like to think is so.



I suspect that he just shifted the goalposts there, but ok - calming effect of meditation, yes.



That's me dood. Up in my head, I blow fifteen people away daily. Especially when i have to go out, dodging they traffic and pavement -cyclists.
Don't even talk to me dude, I am already having ideas and the razor blades are just in the next room. A word from you just may put me over the edge.
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Old 12-02-2018, 01:12 PM
 
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It's why I can't talk to the fellow. He simply has no interest in what is so, only what he would like to think is so.
And on Sunday he is far too busy interfering in football games, a gust of wind here to control if a football goes between the uprights, or not, depending on whose fans are praying the hardest.
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Old 12-02-2018, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Red River Texas
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Teaching against God.

Is that what Atheists do? Is it bad to teach against God and his religion? Would a Christian say that outright sin and rejection of God is evil?

That is what I see Christians do everyday, they reject God's Sabbath to even teach against his Sabbath as an Atheist might do. The majority of Christians will teach and stand against everyghing called of God or worshipped of God, and everyone know this scripture very well because it speaks of the lawless one to come....

What does it mean to stand against everything called of God or worshipped of God?

It means just what it says, that a lawless one would come to stand against the commandments of God and the worship system of God with all it's Sabbaths, feasts, traditions and riturals.

It is just so ironic that a mainstream Christian could think that he could stand above an Atheist because the Atheist doesn't have the law and the prophets, but although the Christian does, he teaches against it, but not only this, he institutes the Sabbaths, feasts, traditions, and rituals of Pagan Gods instead of the worship system of God and this goes WELL BEYOND ANY DAMAGE AN ATHEIST WOULD DO. Having said that, I don't see anyone going to hell, I don't see myself in a higher kingdom than an Atheist or a mainstream Christian although there are higher kingdoms and more than one type of resurrection, and everyone knew this in the beginning. They were willingly persecuted and happy about it because they were seeking a better resurrection because they knew the 3 types.
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Old 12-02-2018, 01:30 PM
 
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LOL, yeah it's the damned Atheists making people kill theyselves, people like Transponder, the murderer.

Stop killing people Atheists!



Gosh Hanni. Jeff is such a lost human being who reacts before he gives himself time to think and reflect.



He does not listen for simple cues. If he did, his life would be so much better. He would be happy.
He deserves to be happy.
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Old 12-02-2018, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Red River Texas
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Don't even talk to me dude, I am already having ideas and the razor blades are just in the next room. A word from you just may put me over the edge.
Just to be sure, this was sarcasm, just joking with Transponder, although he often gives me ideas, I think he has his Satan spell on me.
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