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Here is the problem with your assessment and the typical nonsense spewed by 90s (who will always remain on my block list). If all those factors are the prime driving force of suicide in those countries then what changed? The factors are pretty much the same as in previous years and decades. It's always been dark. Alcohol problems are nothing new there, the social pressure to succeed in Japan etc.. So the suicide rate should logically stay about the same. Yet, all the articles I've posted have noted that the suicide rate is going up by an ALARMING number in multiple countries. You offer nothing to explain what is causing the increase. What has changed? More atheism.
Face it, a secular atheistic society has not produced a better society but only a darker one.
What has changed in Japan? Japan is not a Christian nation so it can't be that. But apparently, Christianity in Japan is on the increase.
That would mean that Christianity is actually the cause of suicide!
I am not going to read through almost 40 pages of posts to see whether anyone agrees with me, but I think that blaming atheists for suicides is a VERY big stretch.
Hate to break it to you who choose to think otherwise, but there have been many non-atheists people who have committed suicide.
I am not going to read through almost 40 pages of posts to see whether anyone agrees with me, but I think that blaming atheists for suicides is a VERY big stretch.
Hate to break it to you who choose to think otherwise, but there have been many non-atheists people who have committed suicide.
It's very much like I could honestly say that every alcoholic I have met has been a christian, therefore christianity causes alcoholism. And yet I would never claim such a ridiculous thing, even though the first half of that sentence is true.
I am not going to read through almost 40 pages of posts to see whether anyone agrees with me, but I think that blaming atheists for suicides is a VERY big stretch.
Hate to break it to you who choose to think otherwise, but there have been many non-atheists people who have committed suicide.
Regrettably, the demographics of suicide do not check up on what their views on religion were.
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Originally Posted by jeffbase40
Here is the problem with your assessment and the typical nonsense spewed by 90s (who will always remain on my block list). If all those factors are the prime driving force of suicide in those countries then what changed? The factors are pretty much the same as in previous years and decades. It's always been dark. Alcohol problems are nothing new there, the social pressure to succeed in Japan etc.. So the suicide rate should logically stay about the same. Yet, all the articles I've posted have noted that the suicide rate is going up by an ALARMING number in multiple countries. You offer nothing to explain what is causing the increase. What has changed? More atheism.
Face it, a secular atheistic society has not produced a better society but only a darker one.
Does it? As i recall the regularly high suicide rate in Japan has always been put down to pressure to do well in education. If it is going up, then the competition is increasing. It's nothing to do with with atheism. Perhaps something to do with the tradition that suicide is no disgrace. rather it is is putting an honourable end to failure.
But if you are referring back to your original contention that suicide in America is increasing (couldn't help wondering whether that was why the 2019 figures didn't appear in Wiki ) then you are plainly linking that with the rise of the Nones. This suits your Dogma that atheists must be despairing and suicidal. But that is not actually what atheists are like. Whatever the increased suicide is linked to, it is as easily linked to the increased ruthlessness of right wing Christian influence politically.
As to the rest I don't see that you can substantiate this claim that rates of suicide are increasing, much less link them with increased atheism. A quick read of the proffered explanation gives no hint of a link to irreligion.
P.s
The Economist explains
Why the global suicide rate is falling
The drop has been particularly notable among young women in China and India, middle-aged Russian men and old people around the world The Economist explains
STORIES ABOUT suicide that appear in the news tend to focus on celebrities who have taken their own lives and on clusters of deaths among students. They miss the bigger picture: that, at a global level, suicide has declined by 29% since 2000. Among most Western countries, rates have been falling for decades. In Britain, for instance, the rate peaked in 1934, during the Depression. But elsewhere, the decline has happened more recently. China’s rate started to come down in the 1990s; in Russia, Japan, South Korea and India rates have all fallen significantly in the past decade. Western Europe’s rate is still declining slowly. America is the big exception: its rate has risen by 18% this century. Twenty years ago, America’s rate was half China’s. Now it is twice China’s. But the net gain is still huge. The drop in the global rate has saved 2.8m lives since 2000. Three times as many as have been killed in battle in that period.
There is no one reason for the global decline, but it is particularly notable among three sets of people. One is young women in China and India. In most of the world, older people kill themselves more often than the young, and men more often than women. But in China and India, young women have been unusually prone to suicide.
Go on, Jeff. link that decrease in global suicide with the (Claimed) increase in religion, Globally.
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Face it, a secular atheistic society has not produced a better society but only a darker one.
Well, we no longer burn old women as witches just because they live alone with a black cat. Nor do we think that diseases are caused by demons or think that if children are born disabled, the mothers must have had intercourse with Satan. You don't think that is a better society?
Oh , well what can you expect in a country where atheism is taking over and locking up Christians for affirming their faith? You can have that Jeff, for 1 rep. I know you can as you never have.
of course he can always dismiss the map as a lie, because it is from an atheist source. But what's with the 'No Federal prisons'? What do they do? Put them against a wall?
Here is the problem with your assessment and the typical nonsense spewed by 90s (who will always remain on my block list). If all those factors are the prime driving force of suicide in those countries then what changed? The factors are pretty much the same as in previous years and decades. It's always been dark. Alcohol problems are nothing new there, the social pressure to succeed in Japan etc.. So the suicide rate should logically stay about the same. Yet, all the articles I've posted have noted that the suicide rate is going up by an ALARMING number in multiple countries. You offer nothing to explain what is causing the increase. What has changed? More atheism.
Face it, a secular atheistic society has not produced a better society but only a darker one.
I don't agree at all. I think our society has greatly improved over the years. Citizens of all races and genders can vote now. Slavery is illegal. Working conditions must be safe and workers must be paid at least a minimum wage. Having been born gay is no longer a crime. Women have authority and control of their own bodies.
We are far from perfect, but we have made great strides and IMO will continue to do so.
Here is the problem with your assessment and the typical nonsense spewed by 90s (who will always remain on my block list). If all those factors are the prime driving force of suicide in those countries then what changed? The factors are pretty much the same as in previous years and decades. It's always been dark. Alcohol problems are nothing new there, the social pressure to succeed in Japan etc.. So the suicide rate should logically stay about the same. Yet, all the articles I've posted have noted that the suicide rate is going up by an ALARMING number in multiple countries. You offer nothing to explain what is causing the increase. What has changed? More atheism.
Face it, a secular atheistic society has not produced a better society but only a darker one.
Jeff is like our dear leader, and apparently feels the need to constantly say things like, "they're gonna stay blocked!", while still responding to the person.... Cowardly little Jeffery... Wants to respond, but doesn't want to see responses... How SAD.
I also see that he has ignored the fact that atheism can't be blamed any more than other things, and apparently thinks that today is the same as 50+ years ago, which just goes to show how ignorant he truly is.
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) then you are plainly linking that with the rise of the Nones. This suits your Dogma that atheists must be despairing and suicidal. But that is not actually what atheists are like. Whatever the increased suicide is linked to, it is as easily linked to the increased ruthlessness of right wing Christian influence politically. 
What do they do? Put them against a wall?
