Here is another post from me that you can ignore as you usually do -
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Originally Posted by jeffbase40
This is the world atheism and secularism as created.
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That is one hell of an assertion and not one I am seeing backed up in your thread anywhere at all. Especially given statistically how much of minority group atheists have been, and still are. So to prop up your fantasy you basically have to imagine that atheism is a lot more statistically significant _and_ influential than it remotely is.
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Originally Posted by jeffbase40
More division, more hopeless, more conflict, less tolerance and less empathy.
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There is not a shred of evidence - and you certainly have not offered any here - to suggest atheism is to blame for any of that.
However there _has_ been plenty of evidence which we can go over if you wish showing that things like Social Media and News Media are very heavily to blame for much of it. I guess however you are required to ignore all that to prop up your little fantasy here.
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Originally Posted by jeffbase40
People have bought into the lie that there is no God, and no purpose to live.
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I think more and more people are buying into the concept that you should not believe rubbish unless it comes with evidence to make it believable. You have been asked _many_ times for evidence there is a god on this forum on innumerable threads. And you have not given any at all yet. So the lies come from you here - no one else.
However "no god" is not = "no purpose to live". You have made that leap yourself as if it is the correct one. If that is the leap _you_ want to make then great for you - but again reality is not your friend as it is punctuated in many many places by atheists who appear to have no issue finding motivation, life meaning and worthy narratives.
You appear to believe the fantastical nonsense idea therefore that because people do not find purpose the same way _you_ do then they must not find any at all. The hubris and arrogance required to make that leap is astounding. Yet you appear to express it without shame.
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Originally Posted by jeffbase40
And the research has shown a direct link between atheism and suicide.
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No. It has not. But as with many many many threads you have posted on - you do your best to pretend you do not understand the difference between correlation and causation. And that you do not understand the limits of a very local study of a very small and select group of people.
For example many of the more secular and atheistic countries in our world have lower suicide rates than more religious countries such as your own. Compare the suicide rates in the US with Canada, UK, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Australia and more. Then compare the rates of religiosity. You will not find your fantasy held up by the facts I am afraid.
Further correlation is not causation. That suicide might occur at slightly higher rates in a group of atheists than a group of theists in no way shows that atheism is _causing_ suicide. Rather perhaps some aspects of theism is actively _preventing_ it. For example a fear of divine retribution for the sin of suicide was frequently espoused in Catholicism. Even the study itself does not make the claims you are pretending it does. Rather what they say is things like Theists had more of a moral objection to suicide. Which supports my interpretation and rubbishes yours. Bully for you I guess.
Further your study looks solely at "inpatients" not at theistic and atheistic statistics as a whole. As such they are not a representative group of the general population. Further again your study shows that they did not at all normalize for other differences in the comparisons. For example the suicide rates in the statistics you link to are just as correlative with being married as being atheist. In other words - someone who does not understand basic science and statistics like yourself - could twist the statistics in that study also to make it look like not being married was a predictor of suicide as much as not being theist.
Also worse for you is that many studies have correlated religiosity negatively with intelligence and education. Things like intelligence correlate with suicide too! Again bully for you - because this means that Intelligence can be a predictive factor of _both_ suicide and atheism - rather than as you pretend suicide being the link with atheism.
The study also acknowledges other aspects you have ignored. Such as the fact that rather than atheism being a predictor of the depression and suicide - it was the disease of depression itself that was a link to the atheism. So the "causal" effect is exactly the opposite of that one your little narrative fantasy requires. Bully for you a third time.
Finally one I would add myself is one I also schooled you and "supersoul" on before related to homosexuality when you tried and failed to blame homosexuality for depression and mental health issues. That is to say - that the societal attitude towards homosexuals was a causal link to the mental health issues they had. Not their homosexuality. Similarly here - since atheists have long been a hated and mistrusted minoority in the US it is the attitudes of people - people much like yourself - towards them that caused their pain. Not their atheism. To quote you back at yourself therefore "That's the bed
you made". Your hated of us - your bigotry towards us - your judgements and lies about us - they are the cause of issues in the weaker of us. Not the atheism.