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Old 04-06-2008, 10:59 AM
 
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[SIZE=6][CENTER]Why God Must Exist[/CENTER][/SIZE]
[SIZE=5][/SIZE][SIZE=4]Imagine a mechanism. Imagine nothing else exists apart from this mechanism. This mechanism is made of particles. Particles obey a set of laws known as the laws of physics. This mechanism does the task it does whether it has been designed to do so or not. However, the mechanism is not aware of what it is doing. The mechanism is. Nothing is aware of the activity of the mechanism and therefore the mechanism might as well not exist. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]Now imagine a more complicated mechanism say a top of the range pc with the best programming in the world. This mechanism can behave in a manner which creates the illusion of conscious thought. However, just like the first mechanism, this mechanism simply follows a set of predetermined laws. Also, just like the first mechanism this mechanism exists and does what it does. Only since there is no aware observer the mechanism might as well not exist.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]Now lets imagine another mechanism that is much more complicated mechanism than a computer. A human being. The human does what it does just as a computer does. Only that it is much more complicated than a computer. Its particles obey the laws of physics, its brain and organs perform chemical reactions. If the human body is simply made out of particles the brain should just function as the previous mechanisms. Sure it performs complex processes but all it does is:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]1.Exist[/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]2.Follow set laws[/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]Ask yourself if you agree with this.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]If you do then you come to either one of three conclusions. Either you are:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]1.A particle inside of your brain.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]2.Some particles of your body[/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]3.Some other entity besides the physical body.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]This is why number 1 is wrong:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]There is no particle large enough or complicated enough to be able to have all of the information of the brain sent into it. A simple atom, for example, is far too small and would be lost in the massive brain.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]This is why number 2 is wrong:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]The self can only be singular. Atoms are constantly leaving the body and entering the body. If the particles which made up your body were you then parts of you would have left you and entered into other people. Therefore you would be able to experience the goings on of other human bodies apart from your own. Which you can’t.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]So now we are left with number 3. This is the only possible explanation I can see. (If you can think of any more please tell me.) There must be a separate entity which is connected to your brain or whole body and to which the information in the brain is sent. This is you. Also there must be not just one connection to one central part of the brain where the main thought process takes place otherwise one would only be able to experience thoughts and not the five senses. There must be a connection to the various parts of the brain such as those which deal with smell, hearing, sight, feeling and taste.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]What does this have to do with God? Well without god there is no reason for us to have such an existence as is present with our non-physical (when I say non-physical I mean it doesn’t exist as we do in the three dimensions) entity (let’s call it the soul). Scientist who don’t believe in god pretty much state that:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]That matter was created during the big bang.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]This matter formed planets and stars.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]Life spontaneously generated on at least one planet.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]Life slowly evolved to form us through survival of the fittest.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]I’m not necessarily denying that this stuff happened but am simply saying that this alone is not possible to be able to produce what we have for two reasons.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]There is no evolutionary reason for the body and mind to have a soul since the brain itself is able to carry out all of the thought processes itself.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]Even if there was an evolutionary reason for us to have a soul how can evolution design a part to the body that isn’t physical. Evolution is caused by the mutation of Genetic material. Genetic material simply codes for the production of different proteins from amino acids. The soul is not a protein and is not controlled by proteins (as it isn’t physical) so it cannot be altered through evolution.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]This theory not only shows that there must be a god but that god deals with us as life forms instead of simply creating matter.[/SIZE]
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Old 04-06-2008, 11:16 AM
 
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do all scientists belivieve that there is such a thing as a soul?
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Old 04-06-2008, 11:25 AM
 
Location: UK
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...or maybee, you dont actually know much about biology, physics or evolution at all so you choose to make something up to believe in instead...
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Old 04-06-2008, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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Love is carried on the wings of Light, God is love, and this love is light, even Spirit, as we are made in His image, we are Spirit, or Light.
In the beginning God said, Let there be Light. Why? So everything else can be created, when the LHC (Large Hadron Collider) is up and running, i would imagine the Higgs Boson will be discoverd to be light/spirit even Cosmic Rays seed. If it is able to be measured by a machine.

godspeed,

freedom
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Old 04-06-2008, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Mississippi
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Actually, it seems to me like you gave very good reasons for why there isn't a soul. However, I think you fell short on your explanation of why there must be a God.
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Old 04-06-2008, 12:02 PM
 
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argh i can't read it. The [SIZE=4] crap makes me lose my place
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Old 04-06-2008, 01:23 PM
 
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Another way of thinking about it is to think about characters in a dream or computer game. Those characters don't actually have feelings but they behave as though they do. Without a god to make a connection between soul and brain we are like realistic, reliable characters behaving as though we feel but not actually feeling at all.
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Old 04-06-2008, 01:47 PM
 
Location: An absurd world.
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You didn't prove your position to be true.

And some of your statements are wrong.

"That matter was created during the big bang."

Matter and energy can not be created nor destroyed. Nothing created matter. The Big Bang only started our universe. The contents necessary for it to happen were always there.


"Life spontaneously generated on at least one planet."

Funny how science was what proved spontaneous generation to be impossible. It's funny how people criticize science, and don't even know what they're talking about. If the contents for life always existed, then the existence of life isn't spontaneous. Science has never said "something came from nothing". That's BS made up by the religious to try to discredit science. Just like the whole "evolving from apes" fabrication.
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Old 04-06-2008, 02:18 PM
 
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The self can only be singular. Atoms are constantly leaving the body and entering the body. If the particles which made up your body were you then parts of you would have left you and entered into other people. Therefore you would be able to experience the goings on of other human bodies apart from your own. Which you can’t
Hehehe, please learn some basic biology before making such statements. Seriously, this is something against the existence of a soul because it pretty much shows that memory and consciousness are pretty much confined to your neurones(as opposed to say energy or individual atoms).
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Old 04-06-2008, 04:17 PM
 
Location: Nashville, Tn
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I couldn't make any sense at all out of the OP. By the way tom1223 I think if you look at your post and see all of those size=6, etc. in brackets you might be trying to copy and paste or do some other function but it's coming out wrong. I know I've gotten some weird errors when I tried to post photos a few times. It's best to just type in your statement in paragraphs and just press Submit Reply. Anyway, if you could make another attempt to explain your thoughts a little more clearly I could try to respond. I honestly couldn't understand what you are trying to say.
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