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Old 08-13-2022, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Is morality another topic that athesists are not supposed to discusx with theiets? BaptistFundie claims that morality for atheists is just personsl.opinions and not based om anything. I attempted to show him tjat all morality is partially based on personal.opinions and from other things.

Is it perferred by you that I allow BaptistFundie to post hie opinions on where we get our morality unchallegened and for all future readers to read his opinon in a vacuum and accept it?
For a poster who seems to think that much should be discussed openly, CC sure posts a lot.
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Old 08-13-2022, 01:31 PM
 
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Yet, many here excuse the slavery of the times. Why?
For that very reason, I guess: "Slavery*was a generally accepted way of life in many cultures".
I know that when I mentioned it...that's the reason I got.
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Old 08-13-2022, 01:34 PM
 
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The key word there is 'excuse'. They tend to be people who will excuse anything their religion does or has done.
Or to cover for people they admire that were slavemasters and other evil things.
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Old 08-14-2022, 04:44 AM
 
Location: Germany
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I don't think you even realize what you just said in this post.

What I bolded...that's precisely what we atheists have been telling you.
We do have an innate, evolved morality that allows us to live in small groups. The more subjective morality you are referring to is because of the larger societies that we live in imposing their group morality on to us as individuals.

This becomes even more interesting when we consider that we now live in a society where we live in more than one or two groups.

But once one realizes why we have a basic morality, then objective morality will follow from that. We do not need a god to explain morality.
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Old 08-14-2022, 09:45 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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Is morality another topic that athesists are not supposed to discusx with theiets? BaptistFundie claims that morality for atheists is just personsl.opinions and not based om anything.
Too funny. Where are you getting the idea I think morality (or any topic, for that matter) shouldn’t be discussed with theists (or anyone else)? I was doing just that, in fact, by way of my own point re: morality is not measurable nor contingent upon any religion.

Actually, I’m surprised you don’t agree as I’m looking at it from an atheistic standpoint re: lack of measurability (only by way of behavior); and even then, absent a criminal act, one is on shaky ground. How does one measure thought? In other words, stating one is moral (and someone else is not) is ridiculous, in and of itself, particularly relative to any group. By whose standard, and what evidence?

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Is it perferred by you that I allow BaptistFundie to post hie opinions on where we get our morality unchallegened and for all future readers to read his opinon in a vacuum and accept it?
I don’t read BaptistFundie’s posts; I don’t take her/him seriously and don’t care what she/he thinks re: morality (or any other subject). Who would with a name such as that?

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Old 08-14-2022, 09:52 PM
 
Location: Hickville USA
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I don’t read BaptistFundie’s posts; I don’t take her/him seriously and don’t care what she/he thinks re: morality (or any other subject). Who would with a name such as that?
Hey, my name used to be Day of the Lord, give her/him a break.
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Old 08-14-2022, 10:31 PM
 
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Hey, my name used to be Day of the Lord, give her/him a break.
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