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"Thrillobyte, you used "is" when you should have used "are". Your argument is invalid."
If you're going to defend your Christianity in this manner then what's the point of holding a discussion with you? You can raise any cockamamie issue you want right down to my argument being invalid because I didn't put a period at the end of my sentence.
I have not said anything about your orthography, English is not my first language and I myself misspell words. I am criticizing illogical arguments. If you are trying to show that Jesus doesn't exist you shouldn't begin your argument with "Jesus doesn't take care of his churches."
When you ask: "Doesn't Jesus care about his churches and his people?" Whatever answer I give, you are accepting Jesus exist.
So what are we discussing, His existence or that he just "doesn't care"?
Given the fact that the church in the US has hitched itself to a corrupt, divisive, anti-Christ Presidential administration that lives and breathes hate, rage, and cruelty, I think this trend will only accelerate in the coming years.
Pew demonstrates that mainline church members are markedly older than other churches. This is the phenomenon I am describing. It's real and particularly true in neighborhoods/towns where the majority of residents are older.
I don't have data but I'd expect any typical supermarket megachurch had a congregation that averaged significantly younger than 55 years.
Pew demonstrates that mainline church members are markedly older than other churches. This is the phenomenon I am describing. It's real and particularly true in neighborhoods/towns where the majority of residents are older.
I don't have data but I'd expect any typical supermarket megachurch had a congregation that averaged significantly younger than 55 years.
And megachurches are a nearly-uniquely American phenomenon.
One built on hubri$, lie$, promi$e$ and proving P.T. Barnum correct.
I have not said anything about your orthography, English is not my first language and I myself misspell words. I am criticizing illogical arguments. If you are trying to show that Jesus doesn't exist you shouldn't begin your argument with "Jesus doesn't take care of his churches."
When you ask: "Doesn't Jesus care about his churches and his people?" Whatever answer I give, you are accepting Jesus exist.
So what are we discussing, His existence or that he just "doesn't care"?
Logo, if you look carefully at the title you'll see this:
10,000 Churches a Year Close--Pointing to a Savior Who, If Not Imaginary, is An Absolute Do-Nothing
So you see I am not flat-out stating Jesus imaginary. I am stating if he does exist he's negligent--a do-nothing for his people. Personally, I believe he is imaginary and I titled another thread such about a dead missionary. Such is not the case here. Are we clear so far?
So your entire premise is flawed by basing your response on me saying "Jesus is non-existent."
Logo, if you look carefully at the title you'll see this:
10,000 Churches a Year Close--Pointing to a Savior Who, If Not Imaginary, is An Absolute Do-Nothing
So you see I am not flat-out stating Jesus imaginary. I am stating if he does exist he's negligent--a do-nothing for his people. Personally, I believe he is imaginary and I titled another thread such about a dead missionary. Such is not the case here. Are we clear so far?
So your entire premise is flawed by basing your response on me saying "Jesus is non-existent."
I am going to respond one more time. In one thread you say a missionary killed proves Jesus is imaginary. Your thinking process is very confused; one thing doesn't follow from the other. Missionaries have been killed since the foundation of Christianity. Then in this thread you open the possibility that Jesus could exist. Again, showing your confusion.
In response to this "hypothetical" case in which Jesus exist, but doesn't do anything, apparently you missed my comment.
...Jesus was killed by organized religion, yet you really think that when he said "his people" he was talking about another organized religion just because it was named after him?
That would be reducing Jesus to modern day revolutionaries who fight against oppression and when they get in power become the new oppressors. I have read many atheist books and they all make good arguments against organized religion. However, their main conclusion is not supported by such arguments. It just means priests and people who believe in them are wrong. It hasn't occurred to you that both priests and atheists are wrong, and there is another path(s).
I am going to respond one more time. In one thread you say a missionary killed proves Jesus is imaginary. Your thinking process is very confused; one thing doesn't follow from the other. Missionaries have been killed since the foundation of Christianity. Then in this thread you open the possibility that Jesus could exist. Again, showing your confusion.
In response to this "hypothetical" case in which Jesus exist, but doesn't do anything, apparently you missed my comment.
...Jesus was killed by organized religion, yet you really think that when he said "his people" he was talking about another organized religion just because it was named after him?
That would be reducing Jesus to modern day revolutionaries who fight against oppression and when they get in power become the new oppressors. I have read many atheist books and they all make good arguments against organized religion. However, their main conclusion is not supported by such arguments. It just means priests and people who believe in them are wrong. It hasn't occurred to you that both priests and atheists are wrong, and there is another path(s).
logo, you know, the fact you say that English is not your native language shows that you are not capable of grasping the finer nuances of English usage. That you cannot tell the difference between one thread where I express my personal opinion that Jesus is imaginary based on the evidence I see, from an entirely DIFFERENT thread where I give the readers/Christians the benefit of the doubt by saying "Maybe Jesus isn't imaginary; maybe he IS real but if he is he's the most do-nothing savior I've ever seen" ---the fact you cannot differentiate between these two stances shows that it's pointless to converse with you, in which case I am ceasing to respond to your posts.
logo, you know, the fact you say that English is not your native language shows that you are not capable of grasping the finer nuances of English usage. That you cannot tell the difference between one thread where I express my personal opinion that Jesus is imaginary based on the evidence I see, from an entirely DIFFERENT thread where I give the readers/Christians the benefit of the doubt by saying "Maybe Jesus isn't imaginary; maybe he IS real but if he is he's the most do-nothing savior I've ever seen" ---the fact you cannot differentiate between these two stances shows that it's pointless to converse with you, in which case I am ceasing to respond to your posts.
I am responding just because I find this very funny.
Your very first respond in this thread:
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Originally Posted by thrillobyte
Maybe they're closing because Jesus isn't lifting a finger to help them because he simply doesn't exist.
It ultimately has no bearing on Christianity per se. It's in totality the fault of modern people and humanity; idiots smearing Jesus' name and message.
I'm someone that thinks that the BibleJesus character didn't exist but I do love this...which fits in with what you said about today's Christians.
'Jesus rode on an ass, now asses ride on Jesus.'
We see it every day with the likes of Jeff, Ozzie, BaptistFundie and a few others here.
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