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Old 02-04-2019, 08:29 PM
 
Location: Kent, Ohio
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If something is not clear a person prays for clarity.
And talks it over with God. And asks for guidance to do the right thing, to make the best choice.
Ok, Tza, so in some cases could God's answer be "either way is fine" even tho the options seem opposite? E.g., in the context of an individual's decision: "You have my blessing whether you get the abortion or not." Or in the social context: one woman could pray and God's answer to her would be "Abortion is the best option for you in this situation", whereas another woman in a similar situation prays and God's answer is "Despite the great challenges ahead, it is important that you give birth."
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Old 02-04-2019, 09:05 PM
 
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A person has the right to accept medical advice or refuse it. Even if it means losing their own life.

I work in healthcare. People decline medical treatment if they so choose. They decline surgery. They decline chemo. They have that choice.

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Old 02-05-2019, 07:09 AM
 
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"Be true to your authentic self" sounds a lot like "do whatever you feel like" "act on every base urge you have" "anything goes"

That sounds like an absence of morality. And a preference for self indulgence. Are you able to articulate why self indulgence is NOT a good thing? And why a set of moral guidelines in place of self indulgence is beneficial?

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Old 02-05-2019, 08:09 AM
 
Location: SF/Mill Valley
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"Be true to your authentic self" sounds a lot like "do whatever you feel like" "act on every base urge you have" "anything goes"

That sounds like an absence of morality. And a preference for self indulgence. Are you able to articulate why self indulgence is NOT a good thing? And why a set of moral guidelines in place of self indulgence is beneficial?

I agree ‘be true to your authentic self’ is nebulous and can be self indulgent. But we all have our own code of moral guidelines; and despite our differences, most are universally accepted (without religion).
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Old 02-05-2019, 08:15 AM
 
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If someone rejects God then they probably are not going to understand the concept of seeking to clarify "God's will" in a given situation.

If someone rejects God then they ignore altogether God's will. They choose self over God.
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Old 02-05-2019, 08:28 AM
 
Location: SF/Mill Valley
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If someone rejects God then they probably are not going to understand the concept of seeking to clarify "God's will" in a given situation.

If someone rejects God then they ignore altogether God's will. They choose self over God.
One doesn’t need to accept God to be a compassionate person or do ‘the right thing’.
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Old 02-05-2019, 10:11 AM
 
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One doesn’t need to accept God to be a compassionate person or do ‘the right thing’.
my view is that "doing the right thing" exists.
or making the "best choice" possible from among the alternatives.

i disagree with the premise that suggests or promotes that "doing the right thing" or "making the best choice" does NOT exist.
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Old 02-05-2019, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Kent, Ohio
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my view is that "doing the right thing" exists.
or making the "best choice" possible from among the alternatives.

i disagree with the premise that suggests or promotes that "doing the right thing" or "making the best choice" does NOT exist.
Personally, I would not suggest that moral "best choices" don't exist. I believe that with or without a Supreme Intellect to determine moral/immoral, there can be something like a "science" of morality based on objective features of the world. But my question is whether every moral question has a "best choice" answer or, instead, are there some grey areas where, by the standards of science and/or a Supreme Intellect, there simply is no best answer for those particular types of situations.

Basically, in theistic terms: Did God design the world with some indeterminate/ambiguous moral situations? Or does every moral choice imply a particular correct choice? And is there anything in holy scriptures that suggests an answer to this question?

I'm also curious about the spiritual and social aspects of believing that moral ambiguity does or does not exist. Are we, as individuals, or as social creatures, "better off" if we believe or don't believe that some moral situations can be morally ambiguous?
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Old 02-05-2019, 02:23 PM
 
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Personally, I would not suggest that moral "best choices" don't exist. I believe that with or without a Supreme Intellect to determine moral/immoral, there can be something like a "science" of morality based on objective features of the world. But my question is whether every moral question has a "best choice" answer or, instead, are there some grey areas where, by the standards of science and/or a Supreme Intellect, there simply is no best answer for those particular types of situations.

Basically, in theistic terms: Did God design the world with some indeterminate/ambiguous moral situations? Or does every moral choice imply a particular correct choice? And is there anything in holy scriptures that suggests an answer to this question?

I'm also curious about the spiritual and social aspects of believing that moral ambiguity does or does not exist. Are we, as individuals, or as social creatures, "better off" if we believe or don't believe that some moral situations can be morally ambiguous?
this post states that "moral best choices" only exist some of the time and NOT all of the time.

God is in every situation. Not just some situations.
Nothing is too large or too small for God to be present in and actively supporting us and caring for us.
We have free will. God wants us to use our free will to do the right thing to make the best choices.

Not just some choices but all choices, not just some situations, but all situations.
We are not meant to do it on our own, we are meant to turn to God for help in all things all the time large and small.

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Old 02-05-2019, 03:07 PM
 
Location: Kent, Ohio
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this post states that "moral best choices" only exist some of the time and NOT all of the time.

God is in every situation. Not just some situations.
Nothing is too large or too small for God to be present in and actively supporting us and caring for us.
We have free will. God wants us to use our free will to do the right thing to make the best choices.

Not just some choices but all choices, not just some situations, but all situations.
We are not meant to do it on our own, we are meant to turn to God for help in all things all the time large and small.
So I should ask for God's guidance in deciding whether I'd rather have a calendar with pictures of cute puppies verses one with nice mountain scenery?
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