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Straight out of the Bible, I knew it! But you have no INDEPENDENT sources apart from the Bible, right?
Yes, I noticed the new definition of 'independent', but it is Karnival time here so I did not bother to respond (with a ). But I have been sent into the office as I am not allowed to see my clothes for tomorrow that my daughters have made.
Straight out of the Bible, I knew it! But you have no INDEPENDENT sources apart from the Bible, right?
The fact that some religious leaders incorporated SOME of the existing writings into their Bible does NOT change the fact that they were independent writings of that era. Failure to accept that is close-minded bigotry based on association.
Straight out of the Bible, I knew it! But you have no INDEPENDENT sources apart from the Bible, right?
Well, many were independent sources until it was decided which ones should be used to support the agenda of Christianity while the rest were cast aside.
what are you arguing VIC? any knuckle head can see that it doesn't matter. if he existed or not is only relevant to a certain type of person.
It is totally reasonable to say he existed. it is totally reasonable to say there isn't much evidence that he did. neither has any real legs to base a weeks pay check on.
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Originally Posted by thrillobyte Straight out of the Bible, I knew it! But you have no INDEPENDENT sources apart from the Bible, right?
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The fact that some religious leaders incorporated SOME of the existing writings into their Bible does NOT change the fact that they were independent writings of that era. Failure to accept that is close-minded bigotry based on association.
The intent of my question was clear, Mystic. I'm looking for independent sources (and "independent" by its very usage means "apart from the New Testament" but Christians always try to hedge this definition as Vic just did and as you are trying to do now. "Independent" means "apart from the scriptures". So Vic said:
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Early, independent sources attesting to many of the same things about this man. Compared to most figures of his time, he's apparently very well documented.
And I'll ask again, "What "independent" sources apart from the scriptures are you referring to, Vic?" And if you only have scriptures, which secular Biblical scholars don't recognize as authority, then you're free to admit, "Ummm...I don't have any, Thrill." Go ahead, I won't bite. But I might send you to bed without a cookie for trying to put one over on us.
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Originally Posted by thrillobyte Straight out of the Bible, I knew it! But you have no INDEPENDENT sources apart from the Bible, right?
The intent of my question was clear, Mystic. I'm looking for independent sources (and "independent" by its very usage means "apart from the New Testament" but Christians always try to hedge this definition as Vic just did and as you are trying to do now. "Independent" means "apart from the scriptures". So Vic said:
And I'll ask again, "What "independent" sources apart from the scriptures are you referring to, Vic?" And if you only have scriptures, which secular Biblical scholars don't recognize as authority, then you're free to admit, "Ummm...I don't have any, Thrill." Go ahead, I won't bite. But I might send you to bed without a cookie for trying to put one over on us.
Your demand is unreasonable bigotry but you refuse to see it. They are independent writings culled from a whole lot more independent writings. Their selection and inclusion in the Bible does not change their status except to those who are bigoted against the Bible.
Your demand is unreasonable bigotry but you refuse to see it. They are independent writings culled from a whole lot more independent writings. Their selection and inclusion in the Bible does not change their status except to those who are bigoted against the Bible.
true, and its closer to a collection of books than a book. Its like stating encyclopedias can't be used to support themselves. or the internet can't be used to support anything from the internet.
so whats the middle ground?
thats rhetorical for you and more for the lurkers.
but thrill has a point. They bible isn't literally fact. But a king doing bad things and his people paying the price? yeah, thats real enough.
Your demand is unreasonable bigotry but you refuse to see it. They are independent writings culled from a whole lot more independent writings. Their selection and inclusion in the Bible does not change their status except to those who are bigoted against the Bible.
Well okay, Mystic. You insist on answering for Vic, who I assume is too red-faced to make an appearance so I'll ask you: WHAT SPECIFICALLY are these "independent writings culled from a whole lot more independent writings"? That's just vague gobbledygook and you know it. Give me some names of authors or historians and specific names of these "independent writings" apart from the New Testament. That about as succinct as I can make it. Again, if you have no SPECIFIC names of authors or historic volumes apart from the Bible that solidly support Jesus' historicity just say so and we'll be done with it.
library at Alexandra would have been cool resource.
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But you have no INDEPENDENT sources apart from the Bible, right? 
). But I have been sent into the office as I am not allowed to see my clothes for tomorrow that my daughters have made.
