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"My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. John 10:29
So Jesus assures us that no one on earth is capable of causing a Christian to be snatched out of their god's hand. That's about as secure an offer as Jesus can make. Further, Jesus promises:
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A hired hand will run when he sees a wolf coming. He will abandon the sheep because they don't belong to him and he isn't their shepherd. I am the good shepherd and I will not abandon my sheep. John 10:12
So Jesus talks out of both sides of his mouth. In one breath he promises, "NO ONE will take you out of my father's hands. You are eternally safe." But then in another breath he says, "Hey, if you decide to leave it's not my problem! It's not up to my father to save you!!!!!"
Wow, you seriously misinterpret the John 10:12 passage. Does it mean what you say, in context?
11 “I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep. 12 He who is a hired hand, and not a shepherd, who is not the owner of the sheep, sees the wolf coming, and leaves the sheep and flees, and the wolf snatches them and scatters them. 13 He flees because he is a hired hand and is not concerned about the sheep. 14 I am the good shepherd, and I know My own and My own know Me, 15 even as the Father knows Me and I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep.
So you rejected the biblical God after how it was presented to you, and how contrasting you found him with your own research - fair enough!
Does that mean God does not exist?
And is that the end of your quest of finding who your creator is?
Yes, I rejected the Biblical god because I and others have presented enough evidence on these boards to refute him 10 times over as just a man-made statue to worship.
I do NOT reject the idea that a God exists. I am an agnostic deist. I don't know if God exists. I suspect something does because I cannot explain how this complex universe and complex life on this planet got started. Abiogenesis doesn't do it for me--there had to be a higher power to trigger all this. If there is a God He is deist. There isn't the slightest bit of evidence He intervenes in this world or touches our lives. He doesn't answer prayers. He doesn't perform miracles. He does nothing except maybe stopping an asteroid from wiping us all out but He'll be totally indifferent to us wiping ourselves out with nuclear war or polluting the earth into a giant garbage dump.
So there's no quest to make. My quest is over and I have my answers. All I'm trying to do now is save young people around here from getting sucked into Christianity and wasting their lives praying for something that is never going to happen for them like I did.
Yes, I rejected the Biblical god because I and others have presented enough evidence on these boards to refute him 10 times over as just a man-made statue to worship.
I do NOT reject the idea that a God exists. I am an agnostic deist. I don't know if God exists. I suspect something does because I cannot explain how this complex universe and complex life on this planet got started. Abiogenesis doesn't do it for me--there had to be a higher power to trigger all this. If there is a God He is deist. There isn't the slightest bit of evidence He intervenes in this world or touches our lives. He doesn't answer prayers. He doesn't perform miracles. He does nothing except maybe stopping an asteroid from wiping us all out but He'll be totally indifferent to us wiping ourselves out with nuclear war or polluting the earth into a giant garbage dump.
So there's no quest to make. My quest is over and I have my answers. All I'm trying to do now is save young people around here from getting sucked into Christianity and wasting their lives praying for something that is never going to happen for them like I did.
I don't know about others but I allow for the possibility of there being one. I don't believe we fly to the judgment throne of God who then says, "Depart from me ye cursed into everlasting flames...". Rather we simply step outside our dead bodies, look around and eventually find a tunnel leading to a bright light at the end and coming into a beautiful pastoral setting. At least that's the way Christian George Ritchie described it in his famous book "Return From Tomorrow". Ritchie claims to have met Jesus, but millions of people who describe their experience never mention Jesus or the devil. But there's no evidence for any of this. So there's the possibility we just go *pouf* and that's the end of us too.
That might be true if we never got past the Old Testament. But Jesus is part of God too, and his ways are above, beyond, and superior to the old ways. Just like with us, the Bible shows the changes over time; learn, grow, advance, progress, and improve. The Bible ends with Jesus and his message of love, kindness, and forgiveness.
...and yet the Bible consistently says that Yahweh does NOT change and that his 'laws' will endure until the end of time.
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Originally Posted by GoCardinals
And is that the end of your quest of finding who your creator is?
Still waiting for you to show that there was a 'creator'.
The evil concept of God is a attribute of the demon spirit , who in deceptive way blinds people , where God is actually charitable in His love and blessing were people need to be willing to Love God ......, So then it is only the heathen who denies God will see Him as abusive
The evil concept of God is a attribute of the demon spirit , who in deceptive way blinds people , where God is actually charitable in His love and blessing were people need to be willing to Love God ......, So then it is only the heathen who denies God will see Him as abusive
Why doesn’t you god fix the problem?
I don’t expect you to think this through so give your pamphlet answer.
The evil concept of God is a attribute of the demon spirit , who in deceptive way blinds people , where God is actually charitable in His love and blessing were people need to be willing to Love God ......, So then it is only the heathen who denies God will see Him as abusive
The main attribute of an abusive husband is repeatedly beating his wife
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But while the meat was still between their teeth and before it could be consumed, the anger of the LORD burned against the people, and he struck them with a severe plague.
(Num. 11:33; Deut. 28:20-24; 58-61; 2 Sam. 24:15-18; Ps. 88:16; 90:5-8). The natural elements can be agents (Gen. 6:17; 19:24; Ps. 104:4; Isa. 30:30; Jer. 21:14; Joel 1)
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[Be faithful to me or] I will strip [you] naked
and make [you] as bare as on the day [you was born;
I will make [you] like a desert,
turn [you] into a parched land, and slay [you] with thirst.
The Old testament is filled with such threats of abuse and actual beatings to the people of Israel because a paranoid jealous yahweh was constantly accusing the people of Israel of adultery. Remember one of the signs I gave of an abusive husband is irrational suspicion and jealousy.
After beating the people yahweh then tries to make up to them by declaring his love to them and apologizing.
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The LORD said: “I have loved you with an everlasting love; I have drawn you with unfailing kindness.
Time after time yahweh beats the hell out of the people of Israel and then declares his love for them.
I've just shown you a few examples, hljc. And now you're actually going to try to tell us it's the devil deceiving us into believing he's actually good to his wife and never harms her???????? When I've shown it to you in print from your own holy book????????
What reality do you live in, hl? Certainly not this one.
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