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Old 04-09-2008, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Nashville, Tn
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I can't count how many times I've heard someone who is religious state that before they became a Christian that they were worthless, had no sense of direction, no moral compass, and only cared about themselves. I do have a feeling that religion tends to paint the human race as evil by it's very nature but I don't believe that this is true. The overwhelming majority of people I have come into contact with in my 59 years of living (I just turned 59 today) have been basically good irregardless of their religious or non religious beliefs. I just don't accept the notion that mankind is rotten to the core and only a conversion to Christianity can save them. I also believe that promoting a sense of guilt in people is a kind of marketing tool to push individuals to accept this religious framework. This can be a very self destructive way of thinking in my opinion. Any thoughts?
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Old 04-09-2008, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I can't count how many times I've heard someone who is religious state that before they became a Christian that they were worthless, had no sense of direction, no moral compass, and only cared about themselves. I do have a feeling that religion tends to paint the human race as evil by it's very nature but I don't believe that this is true. The overwhelming majority of people I have come into contact with in my 59 years of living (I just turned 59 today) have been basically good irregardless of their religious or non religious beliefs. I just don't accept the notion that mankind is rotten to the core and only a conversion to Christianity can save them. I also believe that promoting a sense of guilt in people is a kind of marketing tool to push individuals to accept this religious framework. This can be a very self destructive way of thinking in my opinion. Any thoughts?
My religious heroes see Christ, when they look at people.

BTW: Enjoy the your 50's while they last
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Old 04-09-2008, 04:40 PM
 
Location: An absurd world.
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I can't count how many times I've heard someone who is religious state that before they became a Christian that they were worthless, had no sense of direction, no moral compass, and only cared about themselves. I do have a feeling that religion tends to paint the human race as evil by it's very nature but I don't believe that this is true. The overwhelming majority of people I have come into contact with in my 59 years of living (I just turned 59 today) have been basically good irregardless of their religious or non religious beliefs. I just don't accept the notion that mankind is rotten to the core and only a conversion to Christianity can save them. I also believe that promoting a sense of guilt in people is a kind of marketing tool to push individuals to accept this religious framework. This can be a very self destructive way of thinking in my opinion. Any thoughts?
I would say that's accurate.

As many fundamentalists say, "Humans are naturally evil and need direction."

I don't believe that for one minute. I guess it makes some feel guilty about not being religious though, so they can use that to their advantage.
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Old 04-09-2008, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Southern Ca
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I disagree also.
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Old 04-09-2008, 04:57 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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"Does Religion Promote The View That People Are Basically Evil And Instill A Sense Of Guilt?"

Yes, it's a fundamental part of Christianity.
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Old 04-09-2008, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Southern Ca
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I just don't accept the notion that mankind is rotten to the core and only a conversion to Christianity can save them. Any thoughts?
This (above) I disagree with.
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Old 04-09-2008, 05:13 PM
 
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Happy Birthday Montanaguy!
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Old 04-09-2008, 05:13 PM
 
Location: Southern Ca
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Its not about a "conversion", Its about a relationship with Jesus, The Son of God.
He made the path to God and forgiveness of sins.

Romans says "we all have sinned and fallen short"....Jesus was the LAST sacrafice, He took our place on the cross.

Those who choose (and it is a choice) not to believe this.....well its their choice.

Montana does not buy it, fine. It does not change the fact that it is the Truth.
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Old 04-09-2008, 05:14 PM
 
Location: Southern Ca
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Guilt comes from the devil. Conviction comes from the Holy Spirit.
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Old 04-09-2008, 05:16 PM
 
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Are you finished yet? We don't care if you believe it's the truth. We're addressing the viewpoint, not who believes it.
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