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Jeff, Jeff, Jeff.... Of course people are all different. That is why human remedies don't all work the same way. But Jesusgod can do anything. It's a miracle, right? So if prayer worked, they'd all be cured. That's the problem with a an omnipotent god - if it can do anything and everything, why does the world look like we have no such god in it?
Argh, I just explained why God may choose not to heal someone. He is not going to do anything that doesn't align with His Will. The world looks the way it does because sin put a curse on it.
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What's more, with this whole prayer thing, the believers know this; they know that it doesn't work as it should, and as promised in the Gospels. So rather than saying that prayer works as it ought to, it's a question of excuses why it doesn't.
If you prayed for God to help you commit a robbery, do you think He would? God's promise is that He wouldn't leave us or forsake us. I know from personal experience, anyone I've seen live completely on their faith has always been taken care of by God. I've known pastors who were so broke that they couldn't pay the rent, and money would show up somehow down to the exact penny needed.
Here is a cool example of God telling a Christian to go give a complete stranger an exact amount of money in Walmart
Now of course, I already know you are going to dismiss it. You may even claim that Todd hired everyone in the video as actors. But you don't have any evidence of that. And as long as you don't have evidence to make such a claim, you can't deny the possibility that this is a real example of answered prayer.
Here's a piece of advice Jeff: Don't tell a man with two degrees in the natural sciences (in my case geology) how science works. Don't tell a man who won awards teaching high school science for 13 years how science works.
Nothing more than pedestal posturing. I don't care if you have 100 degrees. I'll post whatever I think about science any way I please. If I'm wrong, prove it. But here is a fun game. You got a degree in science well prove it. Cuz personal testimony doesn't count, right? Oh a photo of your degree? How do I know it was not faked? Oh the president of the university endorses it? How do I know you didn't bribe him? Huh? See how far down the rabbit hold you can go trying to reason and demonstrate evidence to your ilk. It's maddening.
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But you're right...science doesn't always have the right answers because it's a process where knowledge is built on...rather than a bunch of fables from a few thousand years ago.
Oh so now we are back to claiming as fact that the Bible is a myth? Thanks for showing again how atheists can't even define atheism correctly. Do you really think lack of evidence proves anything?
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You christians would be better off if you stuck with discussing the principles the babble...I mean bible...teaches, rather than the "facts" in the bible...many of which are unsupportable.
The Bible teaches scientific principles thousands of years before man could figure it out. Like how to prevent the spread of bacteria. Sad that you have to resort to ugly insults like babble. Typical atheist garbage speak.
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And I also will point out that scientists -- as new data comes around -- can admit that previous interim conclusions were incorrect. That's something I've never seen you do. You claim to bve a seeker of knowledge. Which is untrue. You've already come to all your final conclusions. It's a dead end.
Well I know God is real because I have a personal experience with Him so you are going to need a mountain of evidence to convince me that there is another truth out there. Atheists have none.
Argh, I just explained why God may choose not to heal someone. He is not going to do anything that doesn't align with His Will.
You did not explain, you made ad hoc assertions without evidence. Again.
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The world looks the way it does because sin put a curse on it.
Or there are no gods.
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If you prayed for God to help you commit a robbery, do you think He would? God's promise is that He wouldn't leave us or forsake us. I know from personal experience, anyone I've seen live completely on their faith has always been taken care of by God. I've known pastors who were so broke that they couldn't pay the rent, and money would show up somehow down to the exact penny needed.
So you ignore those who had faith and died. Cognitive bias is not your friend.
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Here is a cool example of God telling a Christian to go give a complete stranger an exact amount of money in Walmart
Now of course, I already know you are going to dismiss it.
No, we will once again explain the problems for you to auto-reject. You really need to stop inventing things.
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You may even claim that Todd hired everyone in the video as actors. But you don't have any evidence of that.
Yes we do. There are many con men selling false spiritual ideas. There are so many we do not know if there are any genuine ones or not. Which makes the odds this is also faked higher than the odds this is genuine.
This is a simplified version of Bayes theorem, without the mathematics. this is an explanation for you to ignore. Assert as much as you want, but Bayes works more often than it fails.
And Bayes theorem was invented by a priest, so do not call it an atheist excuse.
And yes, probability IS evidence.
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And as long as you don't have evidence to make such a claim, you can't deny the possibility that this is a real example of answered prayer.
Correct, but for the wrong reason. This MAY be an example of genuine prayer. But the evidence we do have means it is more likely to be false than genuine.
Nothing more than pedestal posturing. I don't care if you have 100 degrees. I'll post whatever I think about science any way I please. If I'm wrong, prove it. But here is a fun game. You got a degree in science well prove it. Cuz personal testimony doesn't count, right? Oh a photo of your degree? How do I know it was not faked? Oh the president of the university endorses it? How do I know you didn't bribe him? Huh? See how far down the rabbit hold you can go trying to reason and demonstrate evidence to your ilk. It's maddening.
Probability. Do people fake degrees. Yes, but not very often.
Do people fake miracles, yes, all the time.
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Oh so now we are back to claiming as fact that the Bible is a myth? Thanks for showing again how atheists can't even define atheism correctly.
How does claiming the bible is a myth lead to atheists can not even define atheism correctly? That is like saying Tante Apple Strudel recipe demonstrates you watch porn every day.
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Do you really think lack of evidence proves anything?
I thought it was us who confused evidence and proof. Thanks for showing again how you project all the time.
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The Bible teaches scientific principles thousands of years before man could figure it out. Like how to prevent the spread of bacteria.
Like washing your hands before eating? Whoops, looks like god did NOT know about bacteria.
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Sad that you have to resort to ugly insults like babble. Typical atheist garbage speak.
Typical Jeff hypocrisy. Insults are bad, Jeff's inventions are OK. Proverbs 6:16-19. If your god does exist, he hates you twice as much as a honest sinner.
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Well I know God is real because I have a personal experience with Him so you are going to need a mountain of evidence to convince me that there is another truth out there. Atheists have none.
We have a universe full. You can not even define how many gods are in the Bible (including his consort).
I tell you what, how about you to me exactly how someone would validate such a claim that could satisfy your ilk. Please tell me for ONCE. Obviously test results and testimony from the doctor isn't good enough for you. But then again, nothing. Please never ask me for evidence again. I am so sick of the flippant arrogant dismal. Thanks for wasting my time yet again.
Sure. You pray right now to end world hunger. As soon as this news hits the media, I will immediately know that prayer DOES work, your God DOES exist, He has kept his promise regarding prayer, and He is indeed omnipotent. I will hotfoot it to this forum to post that yes Jeff, you were right all along.
What evidence? All you did is babble that the word slavery is always wrong. I pointed out that anyone in debt is a modern day slave. No exceptions. All you demonstrate is lazy human thinking through the filter of sinful man. Sinful man wants things immediate. God doesn't work that way.
I have exactly $0 of debt, because this is my choice. How many slaves in Bible times could say "You know what, I choose to not be a slave" and thus were no longer anyone's property?
Sure. You pray right now to end world hunger. As soon as this news hits the media, I will immediately know that prayer DOES work, your God DOES exist, He has kept his promise regarding prayer, and He is indeed omnipotent. I will hotfoot it to this forum to post that yes Jeff, you were right all along.
Except Jeff knows why his god will not do that. Because he apparently knows the mind of his god.
Oh, wait, is it not incredibly arrogant for theists to know what a god thinks without knowing all the facts?
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Of course people are all different. That is why human remedies don't all work the same way. But Jesusgod can do anything. It's a miracle, right? So if prayer worked, they'd all be cured. That's the problem with a an omnipotent god - if it can do anything and everything, why does the world look like we have no such god in it?
