Decline of religious in USA: "Nones" now more than evangelicals (witness, vaccines)
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Read the article. Of course, you'll never admit to being wrong. No atheist ever does.
I went to the actual study, Jeff. The link is in the article, which is how I found it. You didn't read the actual study, did you? You let the Federalist interpret it for you. Read the study, Jeff. It says the same thing as I indicated in the OP. You know why?
Because it uses the SAME source! The GSS. "Nones" are increasing.
Why are you even here if you have heard all the arguments before? Looks like a colossal waste of time. Especially if you believe there is nothing beyond this life. The clock is ticking if that is true.
It's ticking for you, too Jeff, and I at least choose not to spend my time buying into a fairy -tale.
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But let's not forget that the children of the irreligious become a whole new generation of fundamentalists.
Just hope they aren't Islamic ones.
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Exactly. What the checkbox reveals is that it is socially acceptable to say that you are not religiously affiliated. These same exact people probably would have checked Christian or some other mainline denomination twenty years ago.
The people haven't changed. Only the label has changed for this particular group. (I celebrate Christmas, therefore I am a Christian.)
That's all that was needed. People are now willing to stand up and say (or sign at least) what they didn't before. They do not subscribe to any religion. It suggests to me a change in mindset and that means more of a willingness to listen rather than stick the fingers in the ears about what's actually in the Bible. Whichever way you want to water it down, it's good news. Really good news.
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I went to the actual study, Jeff. The link is in the article, which is how I found it. You didn't read the actual study, did you? You let the Federalist interpret it for you. Read the study, Jeff. It says the same thing as I indicated in the OP. You know why?
Because it uses the SAME source! The GSS. "Nones" are increasing.
Thank you. I didn't get around to checking the sources of that article. But it shows the problem. Jeff doesn't care what the facts actually are, only finding somebody who says what he wants to near.
That's why Jeff and Ozz (who would probably be damming each other to Hell on doctrinal grounds on Christianity forum) are standing shoulder to shoulder against the common enemy.
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That's all that was needed. People are not willing to stand up and say (or sign at least) what they didn't before. They do not subscribe to any religion. It suggests to me a change in mindset and that means more of a willingness to listen rather than stick the fingers in your ears about what's actually in the Bible. Whichever way you want to water it down, it's good news. Really good news.
It has just become acceptable to acknowledge that much of the justification for beliefs in God are no longer reasonable or believable but that it doesn't necessarily diminish belief in God. It just highlights human ignorance and perversity in matters of God.
We are all tempted to Interpret the rise of the Nones to suit ourselves aren't we. I'm not (despite my 75% hope ) betting on a sure thing, yet. It's just looking promising. people may still believe in a god, even God. This was always the thing with 'agnostics', and you know how hostile 'agnostics' can be towards atheism. I'm just hoping that a conscious switch to no particular religion - that probably means no Christianity, though it could be no Organised Christian church - beans people are now willing to listen.
And we've already seen what happens in history when atheists get power and become leaders. Stalin, Lenin, Pol Pot. Rivers of blood.
Proof that Jeff NEVER reads the explanations given to him.
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Might as well start digging those mass graves if atheists are going to take over. Because if we adopt a society that rules completely under logic and reason, how long would it be before people who can't contribute to society like the weak and elderly are eliminated by law? Because that's the logical thing to do especially if you have limited resources.
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Exactly
...and yet it is the secular (Socialist) countries that provide universal health care for their citizens and provide for the weak, the elderly and those that can't contribute to society, whilst that upstanding bastion of Christianity, the USA, does not.
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You have your tinfoil hat on, Ozzy? Cuz this is full on crazy.
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Hey, Ozzy! You have another tin foil hat wearer here!
Managed to get both Jeff and Ozzy in this one.
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I agree. But there also been times when the nonbelievers have taken over control. We all know the horrors that have resulted.
...and you've had this explained to you until we are blue in the face. You are beginning to look like one of those things we are not allowed to mention.
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Read the article. Of course, you'll never admit to being wrong. No atheist ever does.
Jeffspeak for 'I can't tell you what the article said because I haven't read it.'
It's ticking for you, too Jeff, and I at least choose not to spend my time buying into a fairy -tale.
The clock isn't ticking for me. Eternal life doesn't have an expiration date. The best you can hope for is that God will permanently destroy you body and soul in the final judgement.
So now you are back to claiming as fact that my faith is fiction? Is it any wonder that we can't get a clear picture what about atheist beliefs in non-belief? Reality is that the vast minority has not established or proven that our beliefs are fictions. All you've done is stacked a deck of auto reject shut down arguments to any kind of evidence. It would be impossible to prove ANYTHING with those kind of extreme filters.
The fact that atheists feel the need to daily assault us only proves Christianity even more. And then turn around and tell me how they live such a fulfilling life.
Guess you don't understand what happened in the Middle East, and the Iraw, Iran Afghanistan regions during my lifetime. Women went from normal western style clothing to having to cover up all but there eyes. University Profs and students sent from noomal to fear of expressing anything that a fundamentalist Muslim would not like.
It is not freedom if religion, fundamentalists beleven in con troll and powe're of religion and no one is free to have any othere religion. Your concept of freedom of religion may mean freedom for the one religion to totally control and all others are enemies. Maybe you think religion should be a weapon t9 keep others who don't agree with you in line.
Actually as I already mentioned problems I think perhaps you would like to have freedom of religion but no one is allowed freedom from religion. Perhaps that is why you are so against atheists. I just d9nt get how you can twist my pist to come up with this freedom of religion idea. The fundamentalists I referred to are opposed to this notion. Maybe find out what is happening to gays in Uganda, Muslims in Myrmamar, Christians in Pakistan, atheist in Saudi Arabia and tell me that is fine as its freedom of religion. No its using religion as a weapon not a tool. You can keeping sticking your head in the sand and blame atheists all you want, but as long as you are fine with one religion controlling others we won't find any common ground.
It's crazy to think any of those things are because of religion.
Crazy.
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We are all tempted to Interpret the rise of the Nones to suit ourselves aren't we. I'm not (despite my 75% hope 
) betting on a sure thing, yet. It's just looking promising. people may still believe in a god, even God. This was always the thing with 'agnostics', and you know how hostile 'agnostics' can be towards atheism. I'm just hoping that a conscious switch to no particular religion - that probably means no Christianity, though it could be no Organised Christian church - beans people are now willing to listen.
