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And he has every right to believe that. And we have every right to say baloney.
That's true, but he doesn't have the right to tell bald-faced lies to us to try to trick us into believing in Jesus. That's exactly what he's doing when he says other historians mention Jesus, he's lying. Nobody beside Josephus mentions Jesus by name and as I pointed out the Josephus text is dubious and filled with controversy. Omega knows that. But he deceives anyway, or tries to to. He doesn't have the right to intentionally deceive. He perfectly exemplifies the title of the thread, 10 Lies Christians *ARE FORCED* To Tell To Defend Their Faith
Well let's see what the acknowledged authority on the life and works of Josephus, Louis H. Feldman of Yeshiva University who has written fifteen books on Josephus and 138 articles on Josephus and Judaism has to say on the matter of whether Josephus mentions Jesus...
"We may remark here on the passage in Josephus which has occasioned by far more comment than any other, the so-called Testimonium Flavianum (Ant. XVIII. 63 - 4) concerning Jesus. The passage appears in all our manuscripts; but a considerable number of Christian writers - Pseudo-Justin and Theophilus in the second century, Minucius Felix, Irenaeus, Clement of Alexandria, Julius Africanus, Tertullian, Hippolytus and Origen in the third century, and Methodius and Pseudo-Eustathius in the early fourth century - who knew Josephus and cited from his works do not refer to this passage, though one would imagine that it would be the first passage that a Christian apologist would cite. In particular, Origen (Contra Celsum 1.47 and Commentary on Matthew 10.17), who certainly knew Book 18 of the Antiquities and cites five passages from it, explicitly states that Josephus did not believe in Jesus as Christ. The first to cite the Testimonium is Eusebius (c. 324); and even after him, we may note, there are eleven Christian writers who cite Josephus but not the Testimonium. In fact, it is not until Jerome in the early fifth century that we have another reference to it
Feldman's academic credentials are -
B.A. (Phi Beta Kappa, Valedictorian), Trinity College, Hartford, 1946; M.A. (in classics), Trinity College, 1947; Ph.D. (in classical philology), Harvard University, 1951 (diss.: "Cicero's Conception of Historiography"); L.H.D. (honorary), Trinity College, 1998. Ford Foundation Teaching Fellow in Classics, Trinity College, 1951-52; Instructor in New Testament Greek, Hartford Seminary Foundation, 1951-52; Instructor in Classics, Trinity College, 1952-53; Instructor in Classics, Hobart and William Smith Colleges, 1953-55; Instructor in Humanities and History, Yeshiva and Stern Colleges, 1955-56; Assistant Professor of Classical Civilization, Yeshiva College, 1955-61; Associate Professor of Classical Civilization, Yeshiva College, 1961-66; Professor of Classics, Yeshiva University, 1966-present; Abraham Wouk Family Professor of Classics and Literature, Yeshiva University, 1993-present.
Fellowships and Awards: Guggenheim Foundation, Fellow; American Council of Learned Societies, Senior Fellow; Selected to conducted seminar for college teachers, National Endowment for the Humanities, "The Greek Encounter with Judaism in the Hellenistic Period," at Yeshiva University, Summers of 1980, 1983, 1985, 1989, 1992; "Classical and Christian Roots of Anti-Semitism," Summer of 1987; Award for excellence in teaching the classics, American Philological Association, 1981; Judaica Reference Book Award, Association of Jewish Libraries, 1985; Fellow, Annenberg Research Institute for Judaic and Near Eastern Studies, Philadelphia, PA, 1988-89; Elected Fellow, American Academy for Jewish Research, 1993; Fellow, Institute for Advanced Study, Princeton, 1994.
Now you are free to claim that it is only Feldman's 'opinion' but that would only make you look even more of an idiot than you already have done.
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I never get concerned about secular writings.
You are not concerned with anything that proves you wrong.
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You are a living parody of a fundamentalist.
No. Eusebius isn't a fundie. He's that word beginning with a T that we are not allowed to mention. The only cure for people like that is for everyone to put him on ignore. When the food supply is removed, they very quickly die - or reappear as someone else...as he has done more than once.
Historians much better than you say Jesus was mentioned by at least 2 secular historians. I will continue to take their word for it instead of your opinion.
Apologists and historians not expert in this area of history say so.
Some historians much better than I say he was not mentioned. And they give very good reasons for this.
I too can give very good reasons, so I have evidence, not opinion. I leave opinion to you, Kermit.
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Your chart did not have any facts. It was all opinions.
The chart was made by historians much better than you. It is interesting you cry 'historians' when you need to, but deny them when they go against your ignorant opinions, Kermit.
Your ignorance of the Bible is amusing. Matthew says they go to Egypt and avoided Judea, Luke says they visited Jerusalem (in Judea) at least once a year until Jesus was 12.
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A more compelling conclusion is that you can't support your very biased OPINION.
We can present the evidence all day. You have nothing BUT opinion that even ignores the evidence in the Bible.
What has occurred to me is that no one had explained how all of he biographers of Washington mention his wife by name and no one has been sued for plagiarism.
That is because 1) you do not understand what plagiarism is, despite having it explained to you so many times, and 2) the different historians who wrote about Washington did not plagiarize anyone.
That's true, but he doesn't have the right to tell bald-faced lies to us to try to trick us into believing in Jesus. That's exactly what he's doing when he says other historians mention Jesus, he's lying. Nobody beside Josephus mentions Jesus by name and as I pointed out the Josephus text is dubious and filled with controversy. Omega knows that. But he deceives anyway, or tries to to. He doesn't have the right to intentionally deceive. He perfectly exemplifies the title of the thread, 10 Lies Christians *ARE FORCED* To Tell To Defend Their Faith
I am equipped. Your only response was that 15 million Greeks do not speak Greek.
How true.
Now you have to resort to bearing false witness. I have never said 15 million Greeks could not speak Greek
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