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Your ignorance of the Bible is amusing. Matthew says they go to Egypt and avoided Judea, Luke says they visited Jerusalem (in Judea) at least once a year until Jesus was 12.
We can present the evidence all day. You have nothing BUT opinion that even ignores the evidence in the Bible.
You are misreading what the Bible says. Matthew says no such hing and Luke says His parents went up every year but it says Jesus went when He was 12.
That's true for any rational person IRL, but here it's dependent on individual posting styles...it's called beating the dead horse into submission all the while patting yourself on the back for educating the lurking masses (of spambots).
Now you have to resort to bearing false witness. I have never said 15 million Greeks could not speak Greek
Not a false witness, that was the logical conclusion from your argument that you had made. Which was that if I who can read and speak Greek can not read and speak Greek, then 15 million Greeks can also not read and speak Greek.
Not a false witness, that was the logical conclusion from your argument that you had made. Which was that if I who can read and speak Greek can not read and speak Greek, then 15 million Greeks can also not read and speak Greek.
That may have been your conclusion, but your conclusion is not logical.
That's true for any rational person IRL, but here it's dependent on individual posting styles...it's called beating the dead horse into submission all the while patting yourself on the back for educating the lurking masses (of spambots).
And you accuse of of trying to control and limit the conversation.
Well let's see what the acknowledged authority on the life and works of Josephus, Louis H. Feldman of Yeshiva University who has written fifteen books on Josephus and 138 articles on Josephus and Judaism has to say on the matter of whether Josephus mentions Jesus...
"We may remark here on the passage in Josephus which has occasioned by far more comment than any other, the so-called Testimonium Flavianum (Ant. XVIII. 63 - 4) concerning Jesus. The passage appears in all our manuscripts; but a considerable number of Christian writers - Pseudo-Justin and Theophilus in the second century, Minucius Felix, Irenaeus, Clement of Alexandria, Julius Africanus, Tertullian, Hippolytus and Origen in the third century, and Methodius and Pseudo-Eustathius in the early fourth century - who knew Josephus and cited from his works do not refer to this passage, though one would imagine that it would be the first passage that a Christian apologist would cite. In particular, Origen (Contra Celsum 1.47 and Commentary on Matthew 10.17), who certainly knew Book 18 of the Antiquities and cites five passages from it, explicitly states that Josephus did not believe in Jesus as Christ. The first to cite the Testimonium is Eusebius (c. 324); and even after him, we may note, there are eleven Christian writers who cite Josephus but not the Testimonium. In fact, it is not until Jerome in the early fifth century that we have another reference to it
Feldman's academic credentials are -
B.A. (Phi Beta Kappa, Valedictorian), Trinity College, Hartford, 1946; M.A. (in classics), Trinity College, 1947; Ph.D. (in classical philology), Harvard University, 1951 (diss.: "Cicero's Conception of Historiography"); L.H.D. (honorary), Trinity College, 1998. Ford Foundation Teaching Fellow in Classics, Trinity College, 1951-52; Instructor in New Testament Greek, Hartford Seminary Foundation, 1951-52; Instructor in Classics, Trinity College, 1952-53; Instructor in Classics, Hobart and William Smith Colleges, 1953-55; Instructor in Humanities and History, Yeshiva and Stern Colleges, 1955-56; Assistant Professor of Classical Civilization, Yeshiva College, 1955-61; Associate Professor of Classical Civilization, Yeshiva College, 1961-66; Professor of Classics, Yeshiva University, 1966-present; Abraham Wouk Family Professor of Classics and Literature, Yeshiva University, 1993-present.
Fellowships and Awards: Guggenheim Foundation, Fellow; American Council of Learned Societies, Senior Fellow; Selected to conducted seminar for college teachers, National Endowment for the Humanities, "The Greek Encounter with Judaism in the Hellenistic Period," at Yeshiva University, Summers of 1980, 1983, 1985, 1989, 1992; "Classical and Christian Roots of Anti-Semitism," Summer of 1987; Award for excellence in teaching the classics, American Philological Association, 1981; Judaica Reference Book Award, Association of Jewish Libraries, 1985; Fellow, Annenberg Research Institute for Judaic and Near Eastern Studies, Philadelphia, PA, 1988-89; Elected Fellow, American Academy for Jewish Research, 1993; Fellow, Institute for Advanced Study, Princeton, 1994.
Now you are free to claim that it is only Feldman's 'opinion' but that would only make you look even more of an idiot than you already have done.
You are not concerned with anything that proves you wrong.
No. Eusebius isn't a fundie. He's that word beginning with a T that we are not allowed to mention. The only cure for people like that is for everyone to put him on ignore. When the food supply is removed, they very quickly die - or reappear as someone else...as he has done more than once.
I don't need Josephus. I just posted a link where several historians mentioned Jesus b y name. I don't need them either. Jesus is mentioned in the 4 gospels, by men who considered bearing false witness a sin against God, and several of the epistles. Unless you have evidence they are lying, their records is more than you have that Jesus is not a real person.
I don't know id Eusebius was a fundie or not, but I am a fundamentalist and their is a difference in the secular understanding of fundie, that is false.
Omega, why don't you simply tell us the name of this other secular historian that mentions the name, "Jesus"? Is that too much to ask ?
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