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Old 04-23-2019, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Sierra Nevada Land, CA
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He hated Christianity


Hitler hated Judaism. But he loathed Christianity, too.






Bullock, in describing Hitler as a “rationalist and materialist,” quotes him in a wartime conversation with aides as saying:
The dogma of Christianity gets worn away before the advances of science ... Gradually the myths crumble. All that is left to prove that nature there is no frontier between the organic and inorganic. When understanding of the universe has become widespread, when the majority of men know that the stars are not sources of light, but worlds, perhaps inhabited worlds like ours, then the Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.

By 1942, Hitler vowed, according to Bullock, to “root out and destroy the influence of the Christian Churches,” describing them as “the evil that is gnawing our vitals.”
“I can’t at present give them the answer they’ve been asking for,” Hitler said. “The time will come when I’ll settle my account with them. They’ll hear from me all right.”
But first, he had to finish off the Jews.



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Old 04-23-2019, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Germany
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Originally Posted by Mr5150 View Post
He hated Christianity


Hitler hated Judaism. But he loathed Christianity, too.






Bullock, in describing Hitler as a “rationalist and materialist,” quotes him in a wartime conversation with aides as saying:
The dogma of Christianity gets worn away before the advances of science ... Gradually the myths crumble. All that is left to prove that nature there is no frontier between the organic and inorganic. When understanding of the universe has become widespread, when the majority of men know that the stars are not sources of light, but worlds, perhaps inhabited worlds like ours, then the Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.

By 1942, Hitler vowed, according to Bullock, to “root out and destroy the influence of the Christian Churches,” describing them as “the evil that is gnawing our vitals.”
“I can’t at present give them the answer they’ve been asking for,” Hitler said. “The time will come when I’ll settle my account with them. They’ll hear from me all right.”
But first, he had to finish off the Jews.



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Everyone who wants to make Hitler not a Christian uses Bullock. What you need is credible evidence, like the source material from Hitler himself.

He stated his Christian (and creationist) views in Mein Kampf, and he noted his Christian views in his private library*.

Now here is where you assert without evidence he was only doing that for political reasons**, but I will remind you we have his private library. Or you do. It is in the US after all.

Hitler may not have been orthodox, but he practiced a type of Christianity.

* I will not use the unreliable Table Talk, even though that shows Hitler was a heterodox Christian.

** and we will wait for the No True Scotsman fallacy. My bet is on post 7.
 
Old 04-23-2019, 12:47 PM
 
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This again?

jesus h.
 
Old 04-23-2019, 12:56 PM
 
Location: California side of the Sierras
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Even if it were true, what is the relevance? Hitler was in power because God put him in power, according to the Bible.

Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Romans 13:1 NIV
 
Old 04-23-2019, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Fundie Christians don't like lugging Hitler's baggage. Much easier to pull a Pontius Pilate, wash their hands of him and lump him in with those nasty atheists, Stalin and Pol Pot.
 
Old 04-23-2019, 02:55 PM
 
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This again?

jesus h.
Indeed. This was almost doctrine 20 year a go. Thankfully the message has got across; Hitler was no atheist. He was perhaps not a 'real' Christian, but he was certainly a theist and a sort of Christian too, probably.

But occasionally this attempt to disassociate Hitler from any taint of Bible -belief pops up again. We know what Hitler thought about Christianity: it was weak. he thought that islam would have been a better religion for the west. But he certainly was a god -believer and thought that he was doing God's work. He evidently believed in Jesus and took him as some inspirational figure. Clearly he interpreted the whole thing to suit himself and he tolerated Christianity and Christians so long as they posed no threat to his power. he was certainly not an orthodox Christian seeing himself subject to the Church, but to say that he was no Christian is flying in the face of the evidence.

He was no atheist. He was implacably opposed to atheism.
 
Old 04-23-2019, 02:59 PM
 
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Atheist will not authorize archbishop rank priest to fly over Moscow front and bless the troops and front lines. Stalin did. Easy on Stalin, you folk here have no clue about the man,outside of what official propaganda feeds you.

Nazi never were really into Christianity. They believed in god and superior powers, but were working on religion of their own, more towards pantheon of Teutonic gods. Sort of examine their very tight relationship with Tibet and Dalai Lama.
 
Old 04-23-2019, 03:00 PM
 
Location: US
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No True Scotsman fallacy...Now, how much did you win on your bet?...
 
Old 04-23-2019, 03:09 PM
 
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same ol' same ol'

if hilter killed for religion then stalin killed for anti-religion.
 
Old 04-23-2019, 03:15 PM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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Atheist will not authorize archbishop rank priest to fly over Moscow front and bless the troops and front lines. Stalin did. Easy on Stalin, you folk here have no clue about the man,outside of what official propaganda feeds you.
I'd heard a story about a helicopter flying an Icon around Moscow to protect it from the German advance. Perhaps I could be persuaded that Stalin did believe in God.

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Nazi never were really into Christianity. They believed in god and superior powers, but were working on religion of their own, more towards pantheon of Teutonic gods. Sort of examine their very tight relationship with Tibet and Dalai Lama.
It was more Himmler and the SS that were into the pagan traditions. I gather their interest in Tibet was more to do with their 'master -race' theories.
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