Why did Jesus identify as a male? (Commandment, origin, American)
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Well, when I lived in Thailand I had no problem writing the Buddhist year instead of the "christian" year. What a crock.
In my entire life, other than in old movies, have I ever heard anyone say, "In the year of our lord, ----". You attach way too much importance to things that border on meaninglessness.
In fact, I would say you're obsessed with it all.
Meaningless, huh? Tell that to the Atheist groups going to all the time, expense, and trouble to file lawsuits about every Religious word and symbol they can find to agonize over.
I am not obsessed...I point out the obsession. Like people that would put tens of thousands of posts on a interweb forum for Religion & Spirituality, whining about every aspect of Religion and The Religious, bashing and mocking every facet of it and them. And critiquing the thoughts and conduct of beings they claim are nonexistent!
Meaningless, huh? Tell that to the Atheist groups going to all the time, expense, and trouble to file lawsuits about every Religious word and symbol they can find to agonize over.
I am not obsessed...I point out the obsession. Like people that would put tens of thousands of posts on a interweb forum for Religion & Spirituality, whining about every aspect of Religion and The Religious, bashing and mocking every facet of it and them. And critiquing the thoughts and conduct of beings they claim are nonexistent!
I don't know what you do or what you intend. I'm just telling you how it comes across to me.
No, you are wrong, as there is no comparison. That is not why.
People don't give up their money or fight to the death for "Little Red Riding Hood"...or any other Fairytale type writing. Equating The Bible to that is either ignorant or meant to mock and insult.
The Bible, Qur'an, etc, have power to influence and motivate in a way nothing else does. That's a fact...and I've not heard a definitive reason why.
I don't think there is a single reason. human nature is complex.
we need, well some of us, need a reason why we are going to do something to another group of people. Some things that need to be dome are horrific in nature and humans need a place to place that responsibility.
couple that with some old run of the mill greed ... and poof ... atrocity.
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People don't give up their money or fight to the death for "Little Red Riding Hood"...or any other Fairytale type writing. Equating The Bible to that is either ignorant or meant to mock and insult.
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Be honest. What percent of American christians do you think would give up their lives for their religion? Hell, the vast majority won't even get up on Sunday morning and go to church on a regular basis.
I addressed that already...in #106.
You can "say no" and try live your life different...but if you wanna really change things, you are gonna need much more than that...or you WILL "bend" (maybe even be fed when hungry, or killed for noncompliance), like it or not.
You "bend" every time you write the date (why is it "2019"?), or carry currency that says you trust in God on it. And a jillion other things that rule your life that are theologically based.
The ultra-mojo of Religions assures that you are in a constant state of "bent". Like it or not...because that's just the way it is.
Uh, no, Golden .. I mean, that's a pretty weak argument.
To "bend" in this context means that you're moving away from atheism toward theism or even deism. Yet none of the things you mentioned makes any atheist "bend."
Just because we write "2019" or because some moron decided to change the motto from "E Plurabis Unem" to "In God We Trust" doesn't mean in any least way that, by writing the date or carrying money, we're "bending" toward theism. Hardly. Far from it.
In fact, knowing that our benighted, backward nation decided to get rid of an all-inclusive motto like "E Plurabis Unem" and change it to "In God We Trust" to include only deity-worshipers (and *really* only Christians because no one is fooled by the whole "generic god" thing that proponents of these changes try to claim - everyone, especially the Christians themselves, know full well that every mention of God in this fear-driven, superstitious country means Yahweh, the bloodthirsty, violent, vindictive, perpetually angry, blood-sacrificing, Bronze Age Hebrew God of War.)
Thus, by your logic, carrying something that does *not* have "God" written all over it should "bend" one toward atheism - or at least secularism. Anything one does - from watching television to petting a cat - that doesn't involve worshiping, genuflecting to, praising, and babbling nonsense to an unseen ancient tribal deity from Bronze Age Palestine should also "bend" one toward secularism and atheism.
Right? Would not the converse also be true? One would thnk, no?
Uh, no, Golden .. I mean, that's a pretty weak argument.
To "bend" in this context means that you're moving away from atheism toward theism or even deism. Yet none of the things you mentioned makes any atheist "bend."
Just because we write "2019" or because some moron decided to change the motto from "E Plurabis Unem" to "In God We Trust" doesn't mean in any least way that, by writing the date or carrying money, we're "bending" toward theism. Hardly. Far from it.
In fact, knowing that our benighted, backward nation decided to get rid of an all-inclusive motto like "E Plurabis Unem" and change it to "In God We Trust" to include only deity-worshipers (and *really* only Christians because no one is fooled by the whole "generic god" thing that proponents of these changes try to claim - everyone, especially the Christians themselves, know full well that every mention of God in this fear-driven, superstitious country means Yahweh, the bloodthirsty, violent, vindictive, perpetually angry, blood-sacrificing, Bronze Age Hebrew God of War.)
Thus, by your logic, carrying something that does *not* have "God" written all over it should "bend" one toward atheism - or at least secularism. Anything one does - from watching television to petting a cat - that doesn't involve worshiping, genuflecting to, praising, and babbling nonsense to an unseen ancient tribal deity from Bronze Age Palestine should also "bend" one toward secularism and atheism.
Right? Would not the converse also be true? One would thnk, no?
Things are + or neutral or -.
Things that are or are done directly due to a theological reason, or based in a position of Nonbelief, are +.
Things that are based in neither are neutral.
Things that are or are done that are based in opposition to Religion or Antireligion are -.
We do at times "bend" to Nonbelief...like when there is no Bible, Qur'an, or other theological books in the school library...or the late December music recital is referred to as a "Holiday" or "Winter" concert.
Likewise when "Merry Christmas" is a proscribed greeting...or the Fire Department is told to take the creche down, etc, etc, etc.
Meaningless, huh? Tell that to the Atheist groups going to all the time, expense, and trouble to file lawsuits about every Religious word and symbol they can find to agonize over.
You mean the Atheist groups going to all the time, expense, and trouble to file lawsuits about every Religious word and symbol in public places which the US constitution forbids?
If you are OK with Christians breaking the law, enjoy the slippery slope to a possible theocracy.
You mean the Atheist groups going to all the time, expense, and trouble to file lawsuits about every Religious word and symbol in public places which the US constitution forbids?
If you are OK with Christians breaking the law, enjoy the slippery slope to a possible theocracy.
The last thing you should be doing is telling us our constitution.
Grab statement is really on referring to fundy-think-type atheist. reasonable atheist and reasonable theist can get along just fine. a list of ten commandments on an old building is fine. On new buildings is a point of that can be addressed. or a high school student student tanking a god.
"where does it stop", is not a valid argument for in stopping every situation.
Its intent was democracy without being vulgar. That applies to atheist and theist. its only a slippery slope to people with intention that are not in the interest of everybody. say, people from somewhere else trying to force a type of system that is not in the best interest of another group of people?
also, grabs statement is really only referring to how religion motivates people. religion even motivates anti-religious.
The last thing you should be doing is telling us our constitution.
Why, because many who want to attack US atheists either do not appear to know their own constitution; or need to misrepresent the fact that the atheists are defending the rights of the religious, while some US Christians are trying to enforce theirs over the rights of others.
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Originally Posted by Arach Angle
Grab statement is really on referring to fundy-think-type atheist.
Perhaps you should sit Grab* facing forward on you hobby horse, and not hanging underneath and looking to the rear.
These "Atheist groups" (with a capital "A"?) are fighting for the separation of church and state and the freedom of religion. And the moderate religious should be joining them, because their rights are being eroded too. Yet we find the religious attacking people like the FFRF because they are more interested in attacking atheism.
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Originally Posted by Arach Angle
reasonable atheist and reasonable theist can get along just fine.
Except we are not talking about reasonable theists, we are talking about those who want to impose their religion on others. From Christian symbols on public land to creationism in schools. But why bother with religious freedom when there are atheists to attack?
We do at times "bend" to Nonbelief...like when there is no Bible, Qur'an, or other theological books in the school library...or the late December music recital is referred to as a "Holiday" or "Winter" concert.
Likewise when "Merry Christmas" is a proscribed greeting...or the Fire Department is told to take the creche down, etc, etc, etc.
"You" didn't bend voluntarily. "We" forced the issues to become neutral and will keep pushing for more and more of those things.
Even we dumb atheists realize what an enormous expense it would be to get it off our money so haven't been unrealistic but we'll get there
The theists have had their way for many years. We know change about everything won't happen overnight
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