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Mystic is welcome to craft together whatever God(s) he chooses but just because a person prefers a positive charge does not mean a negative charge does not exist. Furthermore, it's how we know the positive charge exist in the first place.
For we who know that God IS love, the title is ironically revealing because Hate is the opposite of love so God's hate can NOT EXIST. It would be difficult to hold what does not exist anywhere in the universe.
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Originally Posted by Arach Angle
hate is there. we cannot ignore that observation.
how can it not be part of your type of god?
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Originally Posted by MysticPhD
It is an entirely human failing and weakness.
This is part of the problem, Mystic. Even you whitewash God's culpability in all this pain and brutality. God is the final arbiter. The buck stops at his desk. If the world is a sinful mess it is God's fault, not ours. You cannot blame us for the mess the world is in anymore than you can blame the child for killing his sister because his father left the loaded gun on the table KNOWING he'd play with it and even watching from the adjacent bedroom as the child picked it up, cocked it and aimed it at his sister.
The early church had no answer for God's seeming inaction in dealing with pain, misery and suffering so it had to concoct all sorts of excuses to whitewash God of any responsibility. Hence the doctrine of original sin, the invention of satan and free will.
"God loves us, but he doesn't want robots to worship Him so he gave man free will to choose good and evil. In the garden of Eden He warned man what would befall him if he ate the apple. Adam ate the apple of his own free will, inventing original sin which we all inherit and thus causing God to have to come up with a plan of salvation to save all of us from having to go to hell. How? By believing a carpenter in Galilee was His son sent into the world to die for the sins of mankind."
It's all so deviously ingenious it's actually brilliant. Except to those who can see it's complete crap invented by the church to get God off the hook and blame man for God's complete incompetence and indifference.
So to get to the heart of the point, the pagan Jewish god, yahweh that Christians have adopted as their own pagan god does hate non-Christians according to the Bible. In reality the real Supreme Being who created everything and then ditched it all doesn't hate or love us. He's totally indifferent to our plight down here.
This is part of the problem, Mystic. Even you whitewash God's culpability in all this pain and brutality. God is the final arbiter. The buck stops at his desk. If the world is a sinful mess it is God's fault, not ours. You cannot blame us for the mess the world is in anymore than you can blame the child for killing his sister because his father left the loaded gun on the table KNOWING he'd play with it and even watching from the adjacent bedroom as the child picked it up, cocked it and aimed it at his sister.
The early church had no answer for God's seeming inaction in dealing with pain, misery and suffering so it had to concoct all sorts of excuses to whitewash God of any responsibility. Hence the doctrine of original sin, the invention of satan and free will.
"God loves us, but he doesn't want robots to worship Him so he gave man free will to choose good and evil. In the garden of Eden He warned man what would befall him if he ate the apple. Adam ate the apple of his own free will, inventing original sin which we all inherit and thus causing God to have to come up with a plan of salvation to save all of us from having to go to hell. How? By believing a carpenter in Galilee was His son sent into the world to die for the sins of mankind."
It's all so deviously ingenious it's actually brilliant. Except to those who can see it's complete crap invented by the church to get God off the hook and blame man for God's complete incompetence and indifference.
So to get to the heart of the point, the pagan Jewish god, yahweh that Christians have adopted as their own pagan god does hate non-Christians according to the Bible. In reality the real Supreme Being who created everything and then ditched it all doesn't hate or love us. He's totally indifferent to our plight down here.
We do NOT know what role these human imperfections play within God. That is why I use the "Body analogy". There are some truly nasty things that go on within our bodies that are part and parcel of maintaining our existence. Taken out of that context and viewed separately, they would be difficult to justify as "positive" elements in our existence. How much more difficult is it for us to try to determine what is the role of each of the myriad things that happen in our Reality when removed from the context as part and parcel of God's existence?
We do NOT know what role these human imperfections play within God. That is why I use the "Body analogy". There are some truly nasty things that go on within our bodies that are part and parcel of maintaining our existence. Taken out of that context and viewed separately, they would be difficult to justify as "positive" elements in our existence. How much more difficult is it for us to try to determine what is the role of each of the myriad things that happen in our Reality when removed from the context as part and parcel of God's existence?
Well, that's the point, I suppose. We can't know what the real God is doing with the universe, including us, anymore than an amoeba can know what NASA is doing to get us to Mars. Ultimately, if a person is smart they will forget about God and all this other religious nonsense going on in the Christian forum and sometimes in here when fundies come around to muddy the water--they will forget about all this and just get on with their lives. Since we cannot begin to comprehend what the outcome to everything going on down here is it's a total waste of time to try to come up with answers. The only thing we can be sure of is that in 5 billion years if we're still around our sun will supernova and earth will cease to exist.
Now it can be argued that Peter had insight into what would happen to the earth in 5 billion years when he wrote in 2Peter 3:10 "But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat..." There's only one small problem with this: 2Peter is a forgery. Peter never wrote it. So we have an anonymous crackpot Christian writing in Peter's name and probably drawing this idea from pagan religion sources. He certainly didn't get it from the Holy Spirit.
We do NOT know what role these human imperfections play within God. That is why I use the "Body analogy". There are some truly nasty things that go on within our bodies that are part and parcel of maintaining our existence. Taken out of that context and viewed separately, they would be difficult to justify as "positive" elements in our existence. How much more difficult is it for us to try to determine what is the role of each of the myriad things that happen in our Reality when removed from the context as part and parcel of God's existence?
Tell that to the parents of a child dying from an incurable disease.
But hey, as long as the universe all works out for the benefit of MysticPhD, it’s all fine and dandy.
See, this is what is so disgusting about “people of faith.” They’ve survived, they’ve prospered, they’ve experienced justice in this world, so the suffering of anyone else doesn’t matter. Those people must be deserving of suffering and injustice because they didn’t have enough faith or something.
It’s all a sick twisted hodgepodge of rationalizations for believing what feels good instead of what is likely to be true.
It all boils down to extreme selfishness: “I’ve got mine, to hell (literally) with everyone else.”
We do NOT know what role these human imperfections play within God. That is why I use the "Body analogy". There are some truly nasty things that go on within our bodies that are part and parcel of maintaining our existence. Taken out of that context and viewed separately, they would be difficult to justify as "positive" elements in our existence. How much more difficult is it for us to try to determine what is the role of each of the myriad things that happen in our Reality when removed from the context as part and parcel of God's existence?
How does the belief in a God assist you in understanding any of this? Why is a belief in your God help in any understanding.?
Tell that to the parents of a child dying from an incurable disease.
But hey, as long as the universe all works out for the benefit of MysticPhD, it’s all fine and dandy.
See, this is what is so disgusting about “people of faith.” They’ve survived, they’ve prospered, they’ve experienced justice in this world, so the suffering of anyone else doesn’t matter. Those people must be deserving of suffering and injustice because they didn’t have enough faith or something.
It’s all a sick twisted hodgepodge of rationalizations for believing what feels good instead of what is likely to be true.
It all boils down to extreme selfishness: “I’ve got mine, to hell (literally) with everyone else.”
But hey, as long as the universe all works out for the benefit of MysticPhD, it’s all fine and dandy.
See, this is what is so disgusting about “people of faith.” They’ve survived, they’ve prospered, they’ve experienced justice in this world, so the suffering of anyone else doesn’t matter. Those people must be deserving of suffering and injustice because they didn’t have enough faith or something.
It’s all a sick twisted hodgepodge of rationalizations for believing what feels good instead of what is likely to be true.
It all boils down to extreme selfishness: “I’ve got mine, to hell (literally) with everyone else.”
Do you think this about all people of faith? What about, for example, the Unitarians, Methodists, or Episcopalian people of faith, just a few denominations that come to mind? They stress social justice and service and have numerous programs in which congregants participate to help the homeless, dying/ill, addicted, hungry, and discriminated just to name a few. The emphasis is on compassion, non-judgment, service to others, and giving.
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