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Old 06-11-2019, 04:01 AM
 
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You are trying to deny something that even many atheist scholars have acknowledged.
Another Ozzy 'fact'.
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Old 06-11-2019, 04:06 AM
 
Location: Germany
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Shouldn't the bold be applied to every example of such behavior regardless of their beliefs?
Exactly. Which is why 'Stalin was an atheist' is the cüm hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy.

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Why would theists be any more or less likely to have such leaders? It is silly to make any other judgments about why "power - hungry, ruthless and suspicious" leaders do what they do.
No one is arguing why, they are simply pointing out that they were (and are) power mad dictators.
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Old 06-11-2019, 04:07 AM
 
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You are trying to deny something that even many atheist scholars have acknowledged.
ozzy, from my angle, I see two statements of beliefs about god pointing the fingre at the other. both sides are basing a reality around a statement of belief about god.

so long as you lump all atheist in the "them" group this gap won't close. It won't close because you are not focusing on the root cause.

this is not about atheist vs theist. this is fundy think vs rational think.
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Old 06-11-2019, 07:18 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Not on your life. But if what they say is true, then how much even more what a Christian says.
So in other words, when scholars say what you like, you accept their scholarly work. But when their work is opposite of your beliefs you reject their scholarly work.
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Old 06-11-2019, 06:25 PM
 
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So in other words, when scholars say what you like, you accept their scholarly work. But when their work is opposite of your beliefs you reject their scholarly work.
Gee. I really wish I could live up the atheist standard in this regard.
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Old 06-11-2019, 06:59 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Gee. I really wish I could live up the atheist standard in this regard.
Are you denying that what I posted is basically your position?
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Old 06-11-2019, 08:48 PM
 
Location: California side of the Sierras
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Gee. I really wish I could live up the atheist standard in this regard.
Do you mean you wish you could think rationally? I wish that, too.
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Old 06-12-2019, 03:44 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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Gee. I really wish I could live up the atheist standard in this regard.
Keep trying lad. You could reach our height easily if you would just bin the wilful ignorance and superstition.
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Old 06-12-2019, 04:20 AM
 
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Gee. I really wish I could live up the atheist standard in this regard.
ozzy, its not about living up to the standards of believers and non believers.

Its about doing the best we can with what we have.
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Old 06-13-2019, 05:38 PM
 
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Being "religious" gets prisoners in some prisons extra perks, like more time out of cells to go to counseling and services. For Muslims, it might get them better food than the general population. Here's an article about prisoners in the UK supposedly claiming to be Muslim to get perks like that. It also says that some prison authorities are forcing prisoners to convert to Islam.

I have nothing against Islam; some of my best friends are Muslim and I enjoyed an Eid-al-Fitr celebration with some recently. Two of them are ex-offenders; I'll have to ask them about their experiences in the Missouri penal system.
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