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Old 07-08-2019, 09:12 AM
 
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dude died and rised for our sins did it for me in the late 1970's.

Lucky for us people are leaving in droves thrill.
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Old 07-11-2019, 09:05 PM
 
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Even as a kid too young to rationalize that this Christianity thing didn't make any sense, I never considered the hell threat to be real. Further, I never accepted that the Jesus man was anything more than a man and no ways to be 'worshipped' whatever worship might have meant although I did accept that he was a real man and really did say and do the things claimed although I can remember rationalizing the 'miracles'. Like Lazarus was never really dead in the first place.
I find it is false clergy teaching that don't make sense.
KJV translated the word Gehenna into English as hellfire.
Gehenna was just a garbage pit outside of Jerusalem where things were destroyed forever, Not burning forever.
Whereas biblical hell (sheol/hades) is just mankind's temporary stone-cold grave for the sleeping dead.
Can anyone think of anyone righteous that went to hell the day he died _________
According to Acts 2:27 the day righteous Jesus died he went to hell, biblical hell.
Since Jesus taught the dead are in a sleep-like state at John 11:11-14 then while in biblical hell Jesus was asleep in death.
Also, Jesus was well educated in the old Hebrew Scriptures and is where Jesus learned that true condition of the dead.
Such verses as found at Psalm 6:5; Psalm 13:3; Psalm 115:17; Isaiah 38:18; Ecclesiastes 9:5.
If the Bible's hell was a permanent place then Jesus would still be in hell ( the grave ).
Also, according to Jesus, biblical hell comes to a final end as per Revelation 20:13-14.
After everyone in biblical hell ( grave ) is 'delivered up' ( meaning resurrected out of hell ) then emptied-out hell is cast vacant into that symbolic ' second death ' for vacated biblical hell.
So, it is No wonder that 1st Cor. 15:26; Isaiah 25:8 lets us know that even ' enemy death ' will be No more on Earth.
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Old 07-11-2019, 09:09 PM
 
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dude died and rised for our sins did it for me in the late 1970's.............
Yes, Jesus was resurrected, resurrected by his God - Acts 2:24;32; Acts 5:30; Acts 13:30,37; Acts 3:15; Colossians 2:12
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Old 07-12-2019, 03:24 AM
 
Location: Germany
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Yes, Jesus was resurrected, resurrected by his God - Acts 2:24;32; Acts 5:30; Acts 13:30,37; Acts 3:15; Colossians 2:12
Never was on earth, his sacrifice was in heaven. - Hebrews 8-12.
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Old 07-18-2019, 06:15 PM
 
Location: NSW
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Never was on earth, his sacrifice was in heaven. - Hebrews 8-12.
Does not make sense, he was the sacrificial lamb on earth.
Hence the saying: "we are all saved by the Blood of the Lamb".
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Old 07-18-2019, 11:55 PM
 
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Does not make sense, he was the sacrificial lamb on earth.
Hence the saying: "we are all saved by the Blood of the Lamb".
And Hebrews says this was in heaven. If your religious text does not make sense, that is not my problem.
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Old 07-19-2019, 01:29 AM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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Yes, Jesus was resurrected, resurrected by his God - Acts 2:24;32; Acts 5:30; Acts 13:30,37; Acts 3:15; Colossians 2:12
With all respects Matthew, what the hell does all that mean (excuse the pun)? "Acts 2:24;32; Acts 5:30; Acts 13:30,37; Acts 3:15; Colossians 2:12" ?

But at least you acknowledge that Jesus is not god. The concept of Jesus being a god is something I could never get my head around.
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Old 07-19-2019, 06:57 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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I don't need to post here. Just as I can let the various religions denounce each other as deluded, and even the different sects can denounce each other, I can watch the ones of the same sect can refute each other over contrary scripture in the Same Book. I don't even need to say that there is not the slightest shred of an good reasons to accept any of that text as true, OT, Gospels, Acts or Epistles, and certainly not that freak -dream of Revelation.
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Old 07-21-2019, 01:27 PM
 
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Never was on earth, his sacrifice was in heaven. - Hebrews 8-12.
At Hebrew 10:10-12 I find Jesus sacrifice was on Earth, then after his God resurrected the dead Jesus then Jesus ascended to heaven to appear before his God - Hebrew 9:24.
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Old 07-21-2019, 01:29 PM
 
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With all respects Matthew, what the hell does all that mean (excuse the pun)? "Acts 2:24;32; Acts 5:30; Acts 13:30,37; Acts 3:15; Colossians 2:12" ?
But at least you acknowledge that Jesus is not god. The concept of Jesus being a god is something I could never get my head around.
Instead of using all the space to write out those above verses, all those verses say that the God of Jesus resurrected Jesus, and that Jesus did Not resurrect himself out of the grave - Acts 2:27.
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