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Messianic Jews came under attack from both Jews and Christians. Although the Jews originally viewed them as a sect of Judaism, they were rejected by the Jewish establishment after the Bar Kochba revolt against the Romans (132-135 AD). When that revolt began, the Messianic Jews supported it, but when Rabbi Akiva declared Bar Kochba to be the Messiah, the Messianic Jews withdrew from the struggle. The result was that after the revolt was crushed, the surviving Jews branded the Messianics as deserters and traitors, and they were thereafter treated as outcasts.2
Meanwhile, among the Gentile converts, an attitude of anti-Semitism was growing. As early as the 2nd Century, Ignatius of Antioch (ca 50-117 AD) began teaching that Christians should not partake in Passover meals.
While Ignatius of Antioch may have died in 117 AD (or 107), the letters attributed to him are probably not genuine. For various reason I date them to around 140-160 AD.
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Originally Posted by Richard1965
3 Also at this early date, Church spokesmen like Justin Martyr (100-106 AD) were claiming that the Church had replaced Israel.
You have a typographical error, Justin Martyr did not die when he was 6. He died between 163–167 AD.
Thanks for posting the article. It was interesting to read the history of the interplay between Messianic Judaism and Christianity through the centuries.
Thanks for posting the article. It was interesting to read the history of the interplay between Messianic Judaism and Christianity through the centuries.
From the standpoint of one form of Judaism. Acts records earlier opposition to Messianic messages despite Gamaliel's advice. Simplistic explanations won't fly.
While Ignatius of Antioch may have died in 117 AD (or 107), the letters attributed to him are probably not genuine. For various reason I date them to around 140-160 AD.
You have a typographical error, Justin Martyr did not die when he was 6. He died between 163–167 AD.
While Ignatius of Antioch may have died in 117 AD (or 107), the letters attributed to him are probably not genuine. For various reason I date them to around 140-160 AD.
You have a typographical error, Justin Martyr did not die when he was 6. He died between 163–167 AD.
Richard should not be expected to check or actually think about material he posts
I never said he should, especially as most people are not experts in this area. As I said, it was just a correction for anyone interested in this. After all, the redating of the letters of Ignatius DOES move the date of the first recorded non-Biblical mention of the separation between Christianity and Judaism.
I never said he should, especially as most people are not experts in this area. As I said, it was just a correction for anyone interested in this. After all, the redating of the letters of Ignatius DOES move the date of the first recorded non-Biblical mention of the separation between Christianity and Judaism.
If that were actually the first, yes, it would bear. It was not, and that is why I called attention to the shortcomings of the article. Look into the expulsion of Jews from Rome by Claudius about the middle of the first century.
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