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our current level of consciousness is primitive and barbaric.
as evidenced by still practicing war.
when we have reached a level of consciousness (and we are getting there)
of peace on this planet, then other life forms who are far more advanced than we are, will present themselves to us in a more widespread manner.
until then it is not safe or wise for them to do so.
would you wander into the most dangerous neighborhood just to say hi?
hardly. what would happen if you did. get the picture?
we are a young life form, as life forms go in the galaxy. other life forms are far more advanced, including competence in multi-dimensional travel. physical craft for travel are not needed. as we advance (to where they are now), our technology will catch up as we identify and verify and begin to work with multi dimensional aspects of our reality.
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Originally Posted by Tzaphkiel
we are a young life form, as life forms go in the galaxy. other life forms are far more advanced, including competence in multi-dimensional travel. physical craft for travel are not needed. as we advance (to where they are now), our technology will catch up as we identify and verify and begin to work with multi dimensional aspects of our reality.
Show your evidence. Or are you simply making this up and declaring it to be true?
Show your evidence. Or are you simply making this up and declaring it to be true?
I think the question has been asked and answered more than a few times before and no matter the answer, the truth doesn't change. Right Tzap? Ain't nobody can tell you otherwise either...
Show your evidence. Or are you simply making this up and declaring it to be true?
as long as you continue to limit yourself to only those two options, which it appears you do, the logic is flawed and the conversation and thought process remain stagnant.
"evidence" or "made up" = closed system
as long as you continue to limit yourself to only those two options, which it appears you do, the logic is flawed and the conversation and thought process remain stagnant.
"evidence" or "made up" = closed system
As long as you refuse to provide evidence to support your assertions, you stand accused of promoting make believe.
basic question: what other options exist beside "provide evidence" or "make believe"
If you don't have evidence that something is true that really only leaves, you dreamed it up in your head and decided that it was true. Or someone else dreamed it up and you bought it.
If you don't have evidence that something is true that really only leaves, you dreamed it up in your head and decided that it was true. Or someone else dreamed it up and you bought it.
humans are capable of discerning what is valid. what is valid for one person may not be valid for another. what is evidence for one person may not be evidence for another person. what is a reliable source for one person, may not be for another person.
it is overly simplistic thinking, and not rational or logical, to say if something is not valid for you, then it is "not true" and "made up."
since black and white thinking is not logical, not rational, it constricts and limits the cognitive range a person has in their ability to think, analyze, discuss, understand, experience, consider, and learn. It is a rigid and closed system. for anyone interested, read up on problems with black and white thinking.
"evidence" also includes perceptions, wisdom, intuitive knowing, personal experience, knowledge, study, insights. To dismiss or ignore those, to fail to take those into account in determining what is valid, shows (in my view) a lack of both common sense and wisdom.
this is the religion and spirituality forum, and the thread is on "psychic, tarot, and like experiences." in this arena there is a wide range of experiences, and what people consider valid varies from person to person. to demand or claim "what is true" is like claiming or demanding evidence about what music is true, what food is true, what art is true.
can you see how it is problematic to make the irrational leap from "not understanding" "not agreeing"
to "I don't believe you" "not true" "make believe" "you are making it up"
and in this case the added bizarreness of "you stand accused"
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humans are capable of discerning what is valid. what is valid for one person may not be valid for another. what is evidence for one person may not be evidence for another person. what is a reliable source for one person, may not be for another person.
it is overly simplistic thinking, and not rational or logical, to say if something is not valid for you, then it is "not true" and "made up."
since black and white thinking is not logical, not rational, it constricts and limits the cognitive range a person has in their ability to think, analyze, discuss, understand, experience, consider, and learn. It is a rigid and closed system. for anyone interested, read up on problems with black and white thinking.
"evidence" also includes perceptions, wisdom, intuitive knowing, personal experience, knowledge, study, insights. To dismiss or ignore those, to fail to take those into account in determining what is valid, shows (in my view) a lack of both common sense and wisdom.
this is the religion and spirituality forum, and the thread is on "psychic, tarot, and like experiences." in this arena there is a wide range of experiences, and what people consider valid varies from person to person. to demand or claim "what is true" is like claiming or demanding evidence about what music is true, what food is true, what art is true.
can you see how it is problematic to make the irrational leap from "not understanding" "not agreeing"
to "I don't believe you" "not true" "make believe" "you are making it up"
and in this case the added bizarreness of "you stand accused"
I fully agree with you that what is valid, evidence, reliable, rational and/or logical for one person may not be the same for another. Is that not the essence of what causes people to agree and/or disagree about such things? Of course you are entirely right about these observations (as also touched upon by my Nine Truths), but this too is exactly why we are all called upon to provide what justification we have for our beliefs if the goal is to reconcile our differences or distill the truth from the fiction/nonsense. Surely you understand this, right? It's simply not enough and certainly not good enough to simply say what makes sense to some doesn't make sense to others. Not if ascertaining the truth of these matters is the idea. Right?
Imagine for example if we were in a court of law as jurors and we couldn't so easily skirt our responsibility to establish the truth and judge accordingly. As a juror, if you and all eleven other jurors found all the evidence overwhelmingly proving the defendant guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, how would you respond to the defense attorney if his defense was that just because you jurors see it one way, other jurors might see it differently? Might consider the strong evidence faulty. Might not agree with you...
Hell, with that sort of defense like this defense or argument YOU seem to be making, we're left with "anything goes" no matter how ridiculous and no way to pass judgement about the truth no matter how compelling the evidence one way or another. Of course we can do better than that. The "don't burden me with proof" approach works for some of course, but for most people who lean toward a more reasonable and productive approach toward establishing the truth or at least dispensing with the falsehoods, there is a manner in which to weigh the facts in a bit more conclusive manner.
this is not a court of law.
it is a thread in the religion and spirituality forum where people are asked to share their experiences on "psychics, tarot, and the like."
whether a person finds an experience meaningful, is determined by that person.
not by anyone else.
it is not about convincing anyone else of anything. because that is utterly irrelevant. and unnecessary.
the most "reasonable and productive approach" for me is recognizing the utter folly of claiming there is such a thing as "establishing the truth" when it comes to music, food, art, religion, spirituality, courage, love, integrity, and well, truth.
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this is not a court of law.
it is a thread in the religion and spirituality forum where people are asked to share their experiences on "psychics, tarot, and the like."
whether a person finds an experience meaningful, is determined by that person.
not by anyone else.
it is not about convincing anyone else of anything.
I'm glad you made this point.
I started the thread. I didn't ask for anyone to convince anyone else about the validity or tarot or psychics. I just asked for experiences.
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