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Old 02-21-2020, 12:37 AM
 
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1. God did not have to set anything. The existence of God's consciousness provides those parameters of our Reality as the unified field Einstein sought.
Despite the improbability of those parameters? Why do theists forget the problems they raise when it comes to their god?

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2. In God's consciousness.
Consciousness is a product of a brain. Your assertion still does not answer the question.

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3. As pure consciousness, there is no material but thought-forms.
Yes, the usual assertion without evidence that ignores what we DO know. How does pure consciousness even work? Ours require a brain.

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4. God's imagination. See #1,#2,#3.
Clearly you have not read the questions, just answered them with your usual assertions. Questions 3 and 4 are opposites, it is one or the other. By answering you are saying your god is both material and immaterial.

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5. Because we have a consciousness that is part of God's consciousness.
So now we know what your god knows, except when we do not? This is so convenient.

All you have done is replaced god with consciousness and repeated the claims without answering them

 
Old 02-21-2020, 03:58 AM
 
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I have to admit, the stuff you make up is good.
when do you say "we used the words "by chance" so many times that maybe its not so random?

it looks like chaos when in fact, its a fractal.
 
Old 02-21-2020, 08:57 AM
 
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Despite the improbability of those parameters? Why do theists forget the problems they raise when it comes to their god?
What is so improbable about what IS? Who are we to question what IS? It just IS.
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Consciousness is a product of a brain. Your assertion still does not answer the question.
Our contribution to God's consciousness requires a brain. But God is pure consciousness (Spirit) and His consciousness is the unified field within which everything exists. If we knew how our consciousness creates anything in our imagination, we would know how God's imagination establishes our Reality.
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Yes, the usual assertion without evidence that ignores what we DO know. How does pure consciousness even work? Ours require a brain.
See above.
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Clearly, you have not read the questions, just answered them with your usual assertions. Questions 3 and 4 are opposites, it is one or the other. By answering you are saying your god is both material and immaterial.
God is the unified field within which everything manifests which means God is immanent AND transcendent. Like God, our physical body and brain manifest as immanent "(subject to the physical laws of our Reality) and our consciousness manifests as transcendent (what our thoughts and imagination create is NOT subject to the physical laws that govern our bodies).
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So now we know what your god knows, except when we do not? This is so convenient.
You know better than that, Harry. Our individual cells of consciousness cannot know what is known by the entire composite within which we exist.
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All you have done is replaced god with consciousness and repeated the claims without answering them
Everything we consider our Reality manifests within a unified field. Consciousness is such a field and a conscious unified field is the very definition of God.
 
Old 02-21-2020, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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What is so improbable about what IS? Who are we to question what IS? It just IS. Our contribution to God's consciousness requires a brain. But God is pure consciousness (Spirit) and His consciousness is the unified field within which everything exists. If we knew how our consciousness creates anything in our imagination, we would know how God's imagination establishes our Reality. See above. God is the unified field within which everything manifests which means God is immanent AND transcendent. Like God, our physical body and brain manifest as immanent "(subject to the physical laws of our Reality) and our consciousness manifests as transcendent (what our thoughts and imagination create is NOT subject to the physical laws that govern our bodies). You know better than that, Harry. Our individual cells of consciousness cannot know what is known by the entire composite within which we exist. Everything we consider our Reality manifests within a unified field. Consciousness is such a field and a conscious unified field is the very definition of God.
Your post contradicts itself. You go into a long discussion of your beliefs WHICH YOU CAME TO BY QUESTIONING WHAT IS.
 
Old 02-21-2020, 09:09 AM
 
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What is so improbable about what IS? Who are we to question what IS? It just IS. Our contribution to God's consciousness requires a brain. But God is pure consciousness (Spirit) and His consciousness is the unified field within which everything exists. If we knew how our consciousness creates anything in our imagination, we would know how God's imagination establishes our Reality. See above. God is the unified field within which everything manifests which means God is immanent AND transcendent. Like God, our physical body and brain manifest as immanent "(subject to the physical laws of our Reality) and our consciousness manifests as transcendent (what our thoughts and imagination create is NOT subject to the physical laws that govern our bodies). You know better than that, Harry. Our individual cells of consciousness cannot know what is known by the entire composite within which we exist. Everything we consider our Reality manifests within a unified field. Consciousness is such a field and a conscious unified field is the very definition of God.
Lots of assertions and claims and word salad. No evidence. No demonstration.

Consciousness is a word we use to describe the attribute of awareness and self-awareness found in sentient living entities in general, and for human beings in this discussion. There is no evidence of consciousness without a brain, and consciousness is observed to be extinguished upon death.

So no, there is no evidence of any transcendent consciousness that you can arbitrarily label as god. I’d say nice try, if it were. But this nonsense is only a step above the random mumblings of ocean and arachnid.

Discussion of a deity’s consciousness is incoherent, because you have not demonstrated that 1) any deity exists at all, and 2) said deity possesses a brain to exhibit the attribute of consciousness.
 
Old 02-21-2020, 09:11 AM
 
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Your post contradicts itself. You go into a long discussion of your beliefs WHICH YOU CAME TO BY QUESTIONING WHAT IS.
Touche'! but that is how I came to realize the futility of using that "separate things" perspective once I realized God IS everything including us.
 
Old 02-21-2020, 09:21 AM
 
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Touche'! but that is how I came to realize the futility of using that "separate things" perspective once I realized God IS everything including us.
Oh, the god is the universe thingy. But we have a word for the universe. It is: “universe”. Better not to use the term with all the human baggage attached to it.
 
Old 02-21-2020, 09:27 AM
 
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What is so improbable about what IS? Who are we to question what IS? It just IS.
Our universe requires 6 parameters set to a precise value. See the OP. It is unlikely one universe has these 6 parameters at the correct value. But you want us to simply believe the "existence of God's consciousness provides those parameters of our Reality"?

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Our contribution to God's consciousness requires a brain. But God is pure consciousness (Spirit) and His consciousness is the unified field within which everything exists. If we knew how our consciousness creates anything in our imagination, we would know how God's imagination establishes our Reality.
You are just replacing knowledge with consciousness and pretending that is an answer? It is not. So again, how does a pure consciousness exist?

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God is the unified field within which everything manifests which means God is immanent AND transcendent. Like God, our physical body and brain manifest as immanent "(subject to the physical laws of our Reality) and our consciousness manifests as transcendent (what our thoughts and imagination create is NOT subject to the physical laws that govern our bodies).
Now we know why you do not post in the science section.

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You know better than that, Harry. Our individual cells of consciousness cannot know what is known by the entire composite within which we exist.
So now we can NOT know. I must ask myself can this story become more wobbly?

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Everything we consider our Reality manifests within a unified field. Consciousness is such a field and a conscious unified field is the very definition of God.
Yet we have no evidence that consciousness can exist without matter, so your implication in the second sentence is again an opinion that ignores what we do know.
 
Old 02-21-2020, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Touche'! but that is how I came to realize the futility of using that "separate things" perspective once I realized God IS everything including us.
It has nothing to do with touche. It has everything to do with that you can't have it both ways.
 
Old 02-21-2020, 09:29 AM
 
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Your post contradicts itself. You go into a long discussion of your beliefs WHICH YOU CAME TO BY QUESTIONING WHAT IS.
Yes. Apparently what our thoughts and imagination create is NOT subject to a bullet in the head.
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