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Old 10-04-2019, 10:50 PM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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Save your speech for judgement day (though it will do you no good, at that point).
There is no judgement day. Even if there was, your God who can do what he likes with his creation, i.e. your justification for his horrendous atrocities, is highly unlikely to judge you in your favor. Just read your bible.

 
Old 10-04-2019, 10:55 PM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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Why are you so mad at God? What did God do to you for your bloomers to be in such a bunch?
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You flounced.

You are so scared you can't even answer the questions I posed.
Mircea is right - you did flounce. You do present as being too scared to answer his question.
 
Old 10-04-2019, 11:18 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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L...
A. If God does not exist, then there is no objective standard for human morality. You can go on about your moral judgement, but without any reference to a God who created us humans, you are really just weaving intellectual webs from thin air; which amounts to your moral judgements being meaningless if morality is relative. The infanticide practiced by the Greeks of antiquity, for instance, did not violate their customs. If you were a Greek living at that time, you wouldn't necessarily see anything wrong with infanticide, either.
The Five Precepts are one fine basis for human morality, and they are part of a religion that does not rely on
a god.

Abstain from killing (Ahimsa);
Abstain from stealing;
Abstain from sensual (including sexual) misconduct;
Abstain from lying;
Abstain from intoxicants.

If you want to say they are not valid...oops...they later show up as part of the ten commandments.
 
Old 10-05-2019, 12:28 AM
 
Location: USA
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Save your speech for judgement day (though it will do you no good, at that point).
You have justified eviscerating and decapitating children and babies with swords. What credibility do you suppose your opinions have? I am reminded of a joke that was popular when I was in elementary school.

Question: What is more fun than a truckload of dead babies?

Answer: Unloading them with pitchforks.

I couldn't find any humor in that joke 60 years ago. And it's still not funny.
 
Old 10-05-2019, 12:38 AM
 
Location: Germany
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Second, it is my opinion that God is allowed to do or command whatever he wants to with His creation.
Not if morals are objective.

And if your god wants to hurt people, that makes it immoral. And you worship this monster?
 
Old 10-05-2019, 12:52 AM
 
Location: Germany
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Let's hold hands and walk through some logic together...
A. If God does not exist, then there is no objective standard for human morality.

Fallen at the first post. Objective morality must exist outside of your god. Let us do some real logic.

If your god invented objective truths, then there was a time when there were no objective truths. So no law of identity, (which says you are you, apples are apples, and god is god). Which means there was a time when god was NOT god. And a not-god cannot become God, so your god can never exist.

And any excuse you make to get around this must also be an objective truth that existed before your your god created objective truths. Whoops.


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B. If God does exist, you have displayed utter hubris in positioning yourself as a judge of God's actions. I dare say such hubris will not go unpunished.
No, if your god does exist, we have shown great goodness in making a morality that works. It would not be our fault we apply those standards to your god because it does not have the intelligence to tell us it exists. And then to punish us for all eternity for your gods failure is evil.
 
Old 10-05-2019, 01:27 AM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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You have justified eviscerating and decapitating children and babies with swords. What credibility do you suppose your opinions have? I am reminded of a joke that was popular when I was in elementary school.

Question: What is more fun than a truckload of dead babies?

Answer: Unloading them with pitchforks.

I couldn't find any humor in that joke 60 years ago. And it's still not funny.
Very poignant.

I find it disturbing that anyone can attempt to justify such atrocities.
 
Old 10-05-2019, 03:20 AM
 
Location: Germany
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It has to be you that wants it, though.
Want? So you admit you want this, regardless of the evidence. That is not rational.
 
Old 10-05-2019, 03:24 AM
 
Location: Germany
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So you both believe that God exists and that the Bible contains errors? That's progress. Good for you!
No one said that. Are you hearing voices? Maybe Satan?

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Save your speech for judgement day (though it will do you no good, at that point).
And you worship this objectively immoral monster?
 
Old 10-05-2019, 03:35 AM
 
Location: Germany
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You want to compare Christianity to Islam? How about Buddhism?

I thought not.

You’re screwed either way.
You probably have not noticed how God always agrees with what the believer wants, even when it contradicts other believers idea of God? That is because different believers impose their personalities on their idea of god. The idea of eternal damnation for non-believers is your belief that non-believers should be punished.

That is not a plus for Christianity.
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