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Yes. Sometimes God did command his people, living 3000 years ago, under the Mosaic Law, to wipe out an entire enemy nation. Undoubtedly that included babies. That's how war happened. It's what the Canaanites would have done to Israel. He did that to preserve the Messianic line. Holiness is that important to him.
But no, murdering babies by our decision today is NEVER ok. You are not God. I am not God. God has not commanded any man today to kill a baby, nor would he. There is no Messianic line to keep pure, and we have not been promised a land to go in and possess. To make the argument that the Bible justifies infanticide is hugely dishonest.
Idiotic. Disgusting. Doesn't the Gospels say that God can create children of Abraham out of the stones? You seriously believe that genocide was justified because that was the only way to have a messiah appear? Isn't it the case that God can create a messiah by just saying somebody is one? It's making God bound by the rules of Christian doctrine, that's what it is; and is idiotic, disgusting and I'd almost say insulting to God. If there was such a thing.
Idiotic. Disgusting. Doesn't the Gospels say that God can create children of Abraham out of the stones? You seriously believe that genocide was justified because that was the only way to have a messiah appear? Isn't it the case that God can create a messiah by just saying somebody is one? It's making God bound by the rules of Christian doctrine, that's what it is; and is idiotic, disgusting and I'd almost say insulting to God. If there was such a thing.
I'm not aware that God asked you or me for an opinion on it. But at least you're being honest that you just don't like it.
Idiotic. Disgusting. Doesn't the Gospels say that God can create children of Abraham out of the stones? You seriously believe that genocide was justified because that was the only way to have a messiah appear? Isn't it the case that God can create a messiah by just saying somebody is one? It's making God bound by the rules of Christian doctrine, that's what it is; and is idiotic, disgusting and I'd almost say insulting to God. If there was such a thing.
Not only is the god-thing BF worships a psychotic mass murderer, it's also a stupid, bungling, psychotic mass murderer.
Have you read Deuteronomy? Deuteronomy 6:4-5 "“Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one! 5“You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might."
It's what Jesus based that command on. Included in the Law were commands about how to love our neighbor.
What? What has a commandment to do with the Israelis loving their god to do with loving their neighbor? You might as well argue Jesus based his command on Auntie Erica's Apfelstrudel recipe.
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Of course it is. Murder is never acceptable. We've established that.
Then your god is evil.
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You seem to fail to grasp the concept that a creator is free to do with his creation what he wants.
Your invented assertion is only true for an immoral god.
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If God decides to kill me, it's not murder.
OK, so morality is NOT objective. I do wish you could keep your arguments straight.
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No. I didn't.
How would you know, you seem so confused about everything.
What? What has a commandment to do with the Israelis loving their god to do with loving their neighbor? You might as well argue Jesus based his command on Auntie Erica's Apfelstrudel recipe.
If one is loving God, then one is obeying his commands to treat his neighbor well.
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Then your god is evil.
Because he says murder is evil? Really? You like murder that much?
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Your invented assertion is only true for an immoral god.
I'm not sure God really cares what you think about him. He is God. He makes the rules.
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OK, so morality is NOT objective. I do wish you could keep your arguments straight.
Nope. You can feel free to destroy anything you create from nothing, as well.
We have seen this in other Genocides as well, like Rwanda in 1994.
Church Pastors and Priests offered to give sanctuary in churches to the Tutsis, only to then betray them and hand them over to the Hutu militias and machete-wielding butchers, resulting in numerous church massacres with many thousands of innocents systematically hacked to death. (some of these massacres took all day)
Anyone, whether Christian or not, can turn on their faith, esp in war and genocide situations.
The "Never Again" statement from WW2, regarding Genocides, is one of the biggest jokes of the century.
1. Very poor choice of words in last sentence. The "Never Again" concept in re the Nazi holocaust wasn't a joke. It was and continues to be said in all seriousness. But as when we say anything as a society, we must also remember how we as individuals behave. We make New Years Resolutions. Sometimes we fail. We go to confession either formally or in our thoughts and prayers. Sometimes we fail. Pledges we make often crumble, but we still state privately or publicly our good intentions and goals and aspirations.
2. As to turning on their faith...maybe I'd say it differently. That people often turn on and off their faith (I know, different meaning). It's part of how we sometimes compartmentalize our lives.
3. And then there's the I do what I gotta do part of life.
4. There are quite a few christians here who think that they behave based on their faith, as if all non-christians are immoral. Nah. For the most part, people behave based on their culture, not on their faith.
If one is loving God, then one is obeying his commands to treat his neighbor well.
So if one is loving a god who commands you to torture your neighbors, you are still treating your neighbors well? You are really confused with your arguments.
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Because he says murder is evil? Really?
No, because you said morality is objective. So anything that is immoral for you is immoral for your god.
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You like murder that much?
What has this to do with me? You really are confused.
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I'm not sure God really cares what you think about him.
Again, this is not about me. YOU said your god is immoral, not me. You really are confused.
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He is God. He makes the rules.
So your god ignores objective morality. Once again you admit your god is immoral.
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Nope. You can feel free to destroy anything you create from nothing, as well.
Not if mortality is objective. So once again you admit your god is immoral.
So if one is loving a god who commands you to torture your neighbors, you are still treating your neighbors well? You are really confused with your arguments.
If you're loving a god that commands you to torture your neighbors, I'd suggest you need to seek mental help. God has made it clear that he will not ask Christians to do that.
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No, because you said morality is objective. So anything that is immoral for you is immoral for your god.
First, I never said murder was ever "right".
We can all do what we want with our creation. God killing his creation is not murder.
If you wish to create something out of thin air, then you can destroy it.
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Again, this is not about me. YOU said your god is immoral, not me. You really are confused.
You are basing all of this off of your opinions. You're making subjective statements. But your opinion does not determine fact.
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So your god ignores objective morality. Once again you admit your god is immoral.
I never suggested anything close to that. I said he can do what he wants with his creation, as can you. It's very objective.
If you're loving a god that commands you to torture your neighbors, I'd suggest you need to seek mental help. God has made it clear that he will not ask Christians to do that.
First, I never said murder was ever "right".
We can all do what we want with our creation. God killing his creation is not murder.
If you wish to create something out of thin air, then you can destroy it.
You are basing all of this off of your opinions. You're making subjective statements. But your opinion does not determine fact.
I never suggested anything close to that. I said he can do what he wants with his creation, as can you. It's very objective.
I'm a slave to Christ. He is not my servant. I'm his. A Christian needs to realize it's God that is in charge, not us.
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