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Old 10-21-2019, 01:10 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Avondalist View Post
Enumerating lists of things that can be counted off on the fingers is a sales tactic.

The ten commandments
Actually, there are 613 Commandments, but people focus on the first 10.

The 10 Commandments are not of Hebrew origin. The Hebrews borrowed them from the Egyptians.
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Old 10-21-2019, 01:17 PM
 
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Interesting that some people seem to have trouble with this one...

ONE: There are essentially two realities for all human beings. One reality is as we perceive it to be, our personal reality. The second reality is all that truly exists in the universe, the same for all of us. Our universal truth.

While of course there is only one universal reality or truth, the above is simply to explain how we humans nevertheless don't all agree about what that one universal reality. To point out how people will consider whatever they choose to be reality as far as they are concerned regardless the truth, and how this has us grappling with essentially two realities. The one as we perceive it to be. The second reality is the true reality for all of us, whether we personally, accurately, perceive what it is or not.

Interesting how some people continue to fault the reader instead of the text that begins with false premise and draws faulty conclusions.
I tried to respond, and then got bored.
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Old 10-22-2019, 10:21 AM
 
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Enumerating lists of things that can be counted off on the fingers is a sales tactic.

The ten commandments
The seven deadly sins
The eight holy helpers

Reality is far more complicated.
True, and I often note when the complicated is over simplified, but all through my working career I have also come to appreciate what sometimes is best communicated with numerated bullet points. I've written more than my share of directives along these lines in my day too. People often prefer to consider subjects in easy to follow laid out fashion. Not to suggest all can be comprehensively considered with one simple list but simply to provide a "blueprint" of sorts to consider and build upon (or be critiqued as I also encourage with my list). That's all...
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Old 10-22-2019, 10:26 AM
 
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Interesting how some people continue to fault the reader instead of the text that begins with false premise and draws faulty conclusions.
I tried to respond, and then got bored.
Right. Maybe something more interesting to you will be better suited for you. Nothing forcing you to be bored with "false premises" here in any case. If that's how you feel...
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Old 10-25-2019, 09:50 AM
 
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Actually, there are 613 Commandments, but people focus on the first 10.

The 10 Commandments are not of Hebrew origin. The Hebrews borrowed them from the Egyptians.
The Hebrew word for the number 611 is Torah. Add the only two of the Ten Commandments supposedly heard directly from God, and you get 613.

The focus on the first 10 might be because as you read the rest, you begin to realize that many are real duzzies...

593. The king must not have too many wives—Deuteronomy 17:17

594. The king must not have too many horses—Deuteronomy 17:16

The many others, including those covering who one can marry and have sex with are "eye openers" too.
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Old 10-26-2019, 01:04 AM
 
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I though your 'ten truths' (originally none, wasn't it?) were ok, when one read them. They were about rational thinking and so on. I couldn't think why I didn't care for it. I suppose framing it so that it sounded like commandments didn't go own so well: "I, LearnMe, order that you shall think according to these precepts.." which i'm sure wasn't your intent. It's like me posting ten logical fallacies. They aren't orders but help.

Your No 1 'step in thinking' in fact is one I've mentioned here when people talk about reality and human perception. It's like a JW that came in (in the 70's) for a chat over several days, leaving with the usual threats of divine punishment for not listening to him. He asked 'What is Your truth?' The answer is there is no 'My truth or Your truth'. There is only what actually is, and all that we have to do is find out what it is.
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Old 10-26-2019, 07:15 AM
 
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it was how it was framed? I guess that means we didn't list what was actually said and reacted with our emotions to the words used? and some of us can't undo those reactions? yuppers.

" ... about reality and human perception..." so anti-god and my god only are locked in a warped world view in that they are trying to describe how the universe works based on an emotional connection to a personal statement of belief about god. Or a personal connection to the answer based on their private emotions. Why ... yeah again.

all in all that line of reason is exactly why we (the middle man) will always be in danger from the two ends of the same fundy-think-type boob stick. the actual statement of belief is less disconcerting than the personality of the person expressing those beliefs.
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Old 10-26-2019, 10:19 AM
 
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eratum.
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I though your 'ten truths' (originally Nine, wasn't it?) were ok, when one read them. ...
Misstyping it 'none' could have been seen as deprecating.
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Old 10-26-2019, 02:55 PM
 
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eratum.

Misstyping it 'none' could have been seen as deprecating.
I thought that was just your attempt to sound biblical.... "In the beginning, there was none..."
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Old 10-29-2019, 10:10 AM
 
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I though your 'ten truths' (originally none, wasn't it?) were ok, when one read them. They were about rational thinking and so on. I couldn't think why I didn't care for it. I suppose framing it so that it sounded like commandments didn't go own so well: "I, LearnMe, order that you shall think according to these precepts.." which i'm sure wasn't your intent. It's like me posting ten logical fallacies. They aren't orders but help.

Your No 1 'step in thinking' in fact is one I've mentioned here when people talk about reality and human perception. It's like a JW that came in (in the 70's) for a chat over several days, leaving with the usual threats of divine punishment for not listening to him. He asked 'What is Your truth?' The answer is there is no 'My truth or Your truth'. There is only what actually is, and all that we have to do is find out what it is.
People often like to begin explaining something by saying, "the truth is..."

Tends to draw attention to what I believe anyway, but always curious to see how people react to such things. Funny how people address HOW I wrote what I wrote rather than the subject at hand. Bit of a surprise about that for me. As explained a few times already, I simply put my thoughts down as a personal exercise back when I was starting college. I had studied the world religions, and I just wanted to "practice" putting my conclusions down on paper. I was reminded of them in this forum, and yes, first they were nine. Then given my experience posting those nine in this forum, input both positive and negative, I edited the nine and added the tenth. All to invite anyone to share their thoughts about the same subject if they wished. Nothing more and nothing less (as if there can ever be much of anything more accomplished in this forum)...
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