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Regardless of translation, that comes when God is booting Adam and Eve out of the Garden of Eden.
He's saying that this is one of the bad things that's going to happen now that they've brought evil into the world, along with childbirth pain and toiling to grow food, not that it's a GOOD IDEA!!!!
No, MEN established men as the head of the family. C'mon.
This really, really bothered me as a child. From one side, I'd hear about how loving God is supposed to be, and then they taught about Adam and Eve and them being cast out of the garden. From that point onward, I saw God as someone mean, vindictive and extremely unforgiving. I could never, ever have a relationship with someone like that, real or imagined. And please don't get me started on the Hell doctrine...sigh.
If we're gonna have religion in the future, I say let's invent a new religion. One that makes a bit of sense and promotes the idea of forgiveness and love - and equal treatment for everyone. Heck, I might even participate in it. Well, maybe in a future life...lol.
This really, really bothered me as a child. From one side, I'd hear about how loving God is supposed to be, and then they taught about Adam and Eve and them being cast out of the garden. From that point onward, I saw God as someone mean, vindictive and extremely unforgiving. I could never, ever have a relationship with someone like that, real or imagined. And please don't get me started on the Hell doctrine...sigh.
If we're gonna have religion in the future, I say let's invent a new religion. One that makes a bit of sense and promotes the idea of forgiveness and love - and equal treatment for everyone. Heck, I might even participate in it. Well, maybe in a future life...lol.
and Jesus said... 'love thy neighbor as thyself". So there you have it... in a nutshell, and no religion required.
Well I get Taken to Heaven & There is a Goddess there who is "The Holy Mother", & She makes me watch Her sending all the young souls to earth in The Father & Son's Hands. She has manifested in my home as well. She is very very real & a Real Part of God. Probably The Most Important Part. So it is good that The Catholic Church worships The Holy Mother as well. Even if they don't know all the Spiritual facts about Her
So as God's holy rain fell upon all, the spirit of man soul listened and all (good) nations said ...
It's a good study to know the commonality of mans listening spirit and how it manifests in various religions. To which I say... what person can claim to have lived in obedience without the stain of immoral behavior?
and Jesus said... 'love thy neighbor as thyself". So there you have it... in a nutshell, and no religion required.
If that's all there was and nothing else, yeah, that's fantastic. I'd not be on this board in the first place - I doubt anyone would. It'd just be a part of life.
Sadly, Christianity and other religions tend to take this a step or two further, and not in a good direction.
If that's all there was and nothing else, yeah, that's fantastic. I'd not be on this board in the first place - I doubt anyone would. It'd just be a part of life.
Sadly, Christianity and other religions tend to take this a step or two further, and not in a good direction.
That's correct. The Goldenrule quotes . I mean Golden Rule Quotes - are to show that this is the principle of reciprocity that is common to human society no matter which religion or indeed none. I can see 'well God wrote it on the human heart' argument coming up, but then which god? Or rather which religion? It's the same problem that First cause argument runs into, if it is 'all the same god', which one? Or rather, which religion?
The answer being kept at arms' length is 'if all but one is the wrong one, why not all of them?' or 'They are atheist about all the other faiths; atheism just goes one god further'
The answer being kept are barge -pole length is 'there may be a god (or gods) but religions are man -made'.
This comes back to the original point, that the golden rule is not god -given, but a human social convention, and a sound or at least necessary, one.
Well I get Taken to Heaven & There is a Goddess there who is "The Holy Mother", & She makes me watch Her sending all the young souls to earth in The Father & Son's Hands. She has manifested in my home as well. She is very very real & a Real Part of God. Probably The Most Important Part. So it is good that The Catholic Church worships The Holy Mother as well. Even if they don't know all the Spiritual facts about Her
Catholics do not worship Mary, they venerate her and pray through her, although she is referred to as the "Mother of the Church".
On the OP, we have seen atheist societies in the past where religion is banned, and a current one in North Korea.
They don't work.
That's correct. The Goldenrule quotes . I mean Golden Rule Quotes - are to show that this is the principle of reciprocity that is common to human society no matter which religion or indeed none. I can see 'well God wrote it on the human heart' argument coming up, but then which god? Or rather which religion? It's the same problem that First cause argument runs into, if it is 'all the same god', which one? Or rather, which religion?
The answer being kept at arms' length is 'if all but one is the wrong one, why not all of them?' or 'They are atheist about all the other faiths; atheism just goes one god further'
The answer being kept are barge -pole length is 'there may be a god (or gods) but religions are man -made'.
This comes back to the original point, that the golden rule is not god -given, but a human social convention, and a sound or at least necessary, one.
Are there really many people who would argue against this?
Catholics do not worship Mary, they venerate her and pray through her, although she is referred to as the "Mother of the Church".
On the OP, we have seen atheist societies in the past where religion is banned, and a current one in North Korea.
They don't work.
I think you're quibbling over definitions.
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Well I get Taken to Heaven & There is a Goddess there who is "The Holy Mother", & She makes me watch Her sending all the young souls to earth in The Father & Son's Hands. She has manifested in my home as well. She is very very real & a Real Part of God. Probably The Most Important Part. So it is good that The Catholic Church worships The Holy Mother as well. Even if they don't know all the Spiritual facts about Her 
