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The biblical kingdom of Edom has always been a significant puzzle for biblical archaeology. Although evidence is supplied in the Bible, the archaeological record has always had trouble interpreting the text, which said that it existed as a kingdom long before the kings of Israel.
But research has uncovered the untold story of a thriving and wealthy society in the Arava Desert – in parts of Israel and Jordan – that existed during the 12th-11th centuries BCE
“Using technological evolution as a proxy for social processes, we were able to identify and characterize the emergence of the biblical kingdom of Edom,” explained Tel Aviv University’s Prof. Ezra Ben-Yosef, who led the study with Prof. Tom Levy of the University of California, San Diego. “Our results prove it happened earlier than previously thought and in accordance with the biblical description.” https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Cu...of-Edom-602158
Well, it was true that there were Kingdoms that existed in the old testament that is clarified through archeological studies, yet this shows that the authors who wrote the bible did write on kingdoms that were real. Yet, of course, there are some things in the bible that lacking in archeological evidence and could be just a myth, yet at least one mystery like the latest discovery of ancient times is being discovered.
The biblical kingdom of Edom has always been a significant puzzle for biblical archaeology. Although evidence is supplied in the Bible, the archaeological record has always had trouble interpreting the text, which said that it existed as a kingdom long before the kings of Israel.
But research has uncovered the untold story of a thriving and wealthy society in the Arava Desert – in parts of Israel and Jordan – that existed during the 12th-11th centuries BCE
“Using technological evolution as a proxy for social processes, we were able to identify and characterize the emergence of the biblical kingdom of Edom,” explained Tel Aviv University’s Prof. Ezra Ben-Yosef, who led the study with Prof. Tom Levy of the University of California, San Diego. “Our results prove it happened earlier than previously thought and in accordance with the biblical description.” https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Cu...of-Edom-602158
Well, it was true that there were Kingdoms that existed in the old testament that is clarified through archeological studies, yet this shows that the authors who wrote the bible did write on kingdoms that were real. Yet, of course, there are some things in the bible that lacking in archeological evidence and could be just a myth, yet at least one mystery like the latest discovery of ancient times is being discovered.
The biblical kingdom of Edom has always been a significant puzzle for biblical archaeology. Although evidence is supplied in the Bible, the archaeological record has always had trouble interpreting the text, which said that it existed as a kingdom long before the kings of Israel.
But research has uncovered the untold story of a thriving and wealthy society in the Arava Desert – in parts of Israel and Jordan – that existed during the 12th-11th centuries BCE
“Using technological evolution as a proxy for social processes, we were able to identify and characterize the emergence of the biblical kingdom of Edom,” explained Tel Aviv University’s Prof. Ezra Ben-Yosef, who led the study with Prof. Tom Levy of the University of California, San Diego. “Our results prove it happened earlier than previously thought and in accordance with the biblical description.” https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Cu...of-Edom-602158
Well, it was true that there were Kingdoms that existed in the old testament that is clarified through archeological studies, yet this shows that the authors who wrote the bible did write on kingdoms that were real. Yet, of course, there are some things in the bible that lacking in archeological evidence and could be just a myth, yet at least one mystery like the latest discovery of ancient times is being discovered.
It may have been a puzzle for 'Biblical Archaeology' but not for Historians. Edom was known as the kingdom that was eventually conquered by the hasmoneans and converted to Judaism. And that was where the Herodians came from.
You may mean that there was not much archaeological evidence for Edom, in which case, it's good that archaeology is turning up. I don't quite see the relevance to R/S, though. You may as well post the Ivory Plaques from Phoenecia or house -foundations of Ur or the Chaldees because they are also mentioned in the Bible. But the subject is surely more appropriate to the archaeology forum, isn't it? Unless you were doing some kind of 'Archaeology proves the bible true' apologetic.
Come on now, wasn't that it? Like the 'Atheist Skeptical scientists (probably Darwinists, too) denied the existence of the Hittites, but now Archaeology has triumphantly vindicated the Bible.."
Come now, was not that what you were doing? But just like the Hittites, (or King David - a similar ploy) " Edom has never (so far as I have ever heard) been denied by archaeology, because it has been attested in History for a long time.
"this shows that the authors who wrote the bible did write on kingdoms that were real. Yet, of course, there are some things in the bible that lacking in archaeological evidence and could be just a myth, yet at least one mystery like the latest discovery of ancient times is being discovered"
Yep, for sure, that's what you were doing. Or at least. "Use alcohol in Moderation, and wash your hands after going to the bathroom; everyone knows those things are right, so all the rest must be true, too." (kissing Hank's ass). Yep; Archaeology proves that there were Pharaohs in Egypt, so Moses and the burning Bush must be true too. Yep, the Pilate stone attests to Pilate as a real person, so the Resurrection must be true, too.
Yep, we got it.
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The Bible is not a historical document, even though there are references of historical information such as the above discovery, yet it is the work of theology, law, ethics, and literature.
The biblical kingdom of Edom has always been a significant puzzle for biblical archaeology. Although evidence is supplied in the Bible, the archaeological record has always had trouble interpreting the text, which said that it existed as a kingdom long before the kings of Israel.
But research has uncovered the untold story of a thriving and wealthy society in the Arava Desert – in parts of Israel and Jordan – that existed during the 12th-11th centuries BCE
“Using technological evolution as a proxy for social processes, we were able to identify and characterize the emergence of the biblical kingdom of Edom,” explained Tel Aviv University’s Prof. Ezra Ben-Yosef, who led the study with Prof. Tom Levy of the University of California, San Diego. “Our results prove it happened earlier than previously thought and in accordance with the biblical description.” https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Cu...of-Edom-602158
Well, it was true that there were Kingdoms that existed in the old testament that is clarified through archeological studies, yet this shows that the authors who wrote the bible did write on kingdoms that were real. Yet, of course, there are some things in the bible that lacking in archeological evidence and could be just a myth, yet at least one mystery like the latest discovery of ancient times is being discovered.
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Yes, the Kingdom of Israel is one.
The united monarchy of the northern and southern kingdoms of Israel during the 10th century BCE is no myth. While revisionist scholars such as Philip Davies, Thomas L. Thompson, Keith W. Whitelam, and Niels Peter Lemche deny the early existence of the united kingdom of Israel in the 10th century BCE, though they recognize an 'Israel' during the 9th century BCE because of references to it in Neo-Assyrian and Moabite texts, the majority of archaeologists disagree with such revisionist claims. Israel Finkelstein is an exception. He doesn't believe there was a great united kingdom but that it was more of a tribal nature and that David and Solomon were tribal chieftains. While the united kingdom may not have been as expansive as the Biblical text portrays it to have been, most archaeologists, on archaeological grounds alone, acknowledge the existence of a united, and later, a divided monarchy.
William G. Dever (by his own admission, a secular humanist and not a theist) is one of the leading archaeologists in the world. Quoting Dever on the issue of the early united kingdom of Israel;
The essential point is this: today nearly all archaeologists recognize a small-scale but authentic ''state'' in central Palestine in the mid-late 10th century, or the beginning of Iron II, on archaeological grounds alone. Even our label ''Israelite'' cold be extrapolated from the Egyptian reference on the inscription of Pharaoh Merneptah to an ''Israel'' in Canaan ca. 1210, in connection with the continuity of Iron I-II material culture that all archaeologists acknowledge.
What did the Biblical Writers Know & When Did They Know It?, p. 128
Dever goes on to say that, again, on archaeological grounds alone, there are clear indications of a north-south division of the kingdom during the 9th-8th century BCE.
Commenting on the revisionists claims that there never was a 'United Monarchy' during the 10th century BCE, Dever writes;
As we saw above, the revisionists vociferously deny that there ever was any such entity as the Hebrew Bible's ''United Monarchy,'' or the reigns of Saul, David, and Solomon. There was no Israelite ''state'' in the north, with its capital in Samaria, until the mid-9th century; and no southern or Judean state, with its capital in Jerusalem, until the mid-late 7th century. What is conspicuously absent in their repeated assertions is not only lack of any evidence, but even more damaging, the absence of critical discussion of the voluminous literature on what are called ''state-formation processes.''
What did the Biblical Writers Know & When Did They Know It?, p. 124
Archaeological evidence then does indicate that in the 10th century BCE, there was a united kingdom of Israel, though it may not have been as big as the Bible makes it out to be.
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The united monarchy of the northern and southern kingdoms of Israel during the 10th century BCE is no myth. While revisionist scholars such as Philip Davies, Thomas L. Thompson, Keith W. Whitelam, and Niels Peter Lemche deny the early existence of the united kingdom of Israel in the 10th century BCE, though they recognize an 'Israel' during the 9th century BCE because of references to it in Neo-Assyrian and Moabite texts, the majority of archaeologists disagree with such revisionist claims. Israel Finkelstein is an exception. He doesn't believe there was a great united kingdom but that it was more of a tribal nature and that David and Solomon were tribal chieftains. While the united kingdom may not have been as expansive as the Biblical text portrays it to have been, most archaeologists, on archaeological grounds alone, acknowledge the existence of a united, and later, a divided monarchy.
William G. Dever (by his own admission, a secular humanist and not a theist) is one of the leading archaeologists in the world. Quoting Dever on the issue of the early united kingdom of Israel;
The essential point is this: today nearly all archaeologists recognize a small-scale but authentic ''state'' in central Palestine in the mid-late 10th century, or the beginning of Iron II, on archaeological grounds alone. Even our label ''Israelite'' could be extrapolated from the Egyptian reference on the inscription of Pharaoh Merneptah to an ''Israel'' in Canaan ca. 1210, in connection with the continuity of Iron I-II material culture that all archaeologists acknowledge.
What did the Biblical Writers Know & When Did They Know It?, p. 128
'Could be' is not evidence, it is wishful thinking. It is reading the Bible on to the archaeological evidence whether the evidence supports the Bible or not. We do not even know who or what this 'Israel' was, or where it was.
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Originally Posted by Mike555
Dever goes on to say that, again, on archaeological grounds alone, there are clear indications of a north-south division of the kingdom during the 9th-8th century BCE.
We have evidence for the southern Kingdom, but we are still missing 100 to 150 years of evidence for this northern Kingdom.
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Originally Posted by Mike555
Commenting on the revisionists claims that there never was a 'United Monarchy' during the 10th century BCE, Dever writes;
As we saw above, the revisionists vociferously deny that there ever was any such entity as the Hebrew Bible's ''United Monarchy,'' or the reigns of Saul, David, and Solomon. There was no Israelite ''state'' in the north, with its capital in Samaria, until the mid-9th century; and no southern or Judean state, with its capital in Jerusalem, until the mid-late 7th century. What is conspicuously absent in their repeated assertions is not only lack of any evidence, but even more damaging, the absence of critical discussion of the voluminous literature on what are called ''state-formation processes.''
What did the Biblical Writers Know & When Did They Know It?, p. 124
Lack of evidence that a state did not exist? What sort of evidence would you expect for a state that did not exist?
And critical discussion of the voluminous literature on what are called ''state-formation processes.''? That would just lead you to a possibility that Israel could exist, which is not evidence that it did exist.
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Originally Posted by Mike555
Archaeological evidence then does indicate that in the 10th century BCE, there was a united kingdom of Israel, though it may not have been as big as the Bible makes it out to be.
Again, what archaeological evidence for that important 100 / 150 years after 1000BC?
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