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That’s not the issue. Trans said we doing nothing but hope for Heaven, which is untrue.
True. It's more like you're trying to buy your way into heaven with good deeds. They're not done just because they're the right thing to do. They're done so you get to where you wanna be.
True. It's more like you're trying to buy your way into heaven with good deeds. They're not done just because they're the right thing to do. They're done so you get to where you wanna be.
that is the exact opposite of the message of Christianity.
It is a lot more reasonable than a dead person coming back to life.
You're right. That's why it was a miracle. It wasn't something that naturally happens.
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In fact, if you take the Crucifixion accounts as reliable, something like the 'swoon' theory is unavoidable. You haven't thought about or considered this. We can if you ever want to You are just repeating rote denial.
I believe that the God that created the universe is big enough that he doesn't need us reading some silly swoon theory into the text.
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They absolutely do contradict. Frequently, utterly and terminally. But you haven't thought about or considered this and prefer to recite rote denial.
FunBap - GleninIndy started the 'Atheism makes bad countries' lark but you joined in two posts later with China and N. Korea - so don't act like we started it.
Because it was just the situation Christianity longs for - total Christian control through Christian rulers.
Sinful men often want complete control. Even men that call themselves Christian.
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Yes, because when you unpack that, we are entitled to evangelise (essentially) our views just as you are, and if those views have nothing on the tracts of our own but are about debunking what's on your tracts, that's the way it is. It is fair play and free speech and if you don't like it, that's tough. It is fair.
and you believe that includes harassment, insults, etc?
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I love by the way you play the persecuted martyr being harassed by atheists. last time i looked atheists were a tiny inority and the overwhelming majority were believers. Now all of a sudden you are calling persecution.
This forum is not consistent with the general population of America. On this forum, even the mods are atheists. And it shows.
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On the other hand, trying to make atheism look bad by pointing to secularist (mainly) countries in hopes to pin any bad stuff on us is pretty shameless.
I didn't bring it up. I merely supplied an answer to a question.
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Ok so GleninIndy messed up by giving us the option of choosing our countries and Australia, Austria and Denmark don't look too bad. You however, being Shameless, went right for the throat Communist (an therefore atheist) countries like China and N Korea. Which are dictatorships, where the Dogma is the party and the Ruler. Even then, China isn't that bad. I won't do a political analysis, but there are a few religious countries that would think it paradise to be as bad as that.
But they're still atheistic countries.
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No, slice it where you like BF, you did a shameless and very clumsy smear -effort.
And comparing the chronology of the gospel accounts (in the order they are believed to have been written) from a purely objective literary analysis, the more time that passed, the more fantastical the story gets. At very least, this suggests that the doctrine of bodily resurrection developed over time.
It's not quite as bad as that, though I think you are on the right lines - and back on topic - thankfully
The doctrine of the resurrection as set down in the NT is pretty much all of a piece - that hasn't evolved. But I think that it had evolved before that. It was originally a spirit resurrection. Lok at Paul's description in Corinthians 1, and see whether it doesn't look like spiritual sightings. By the time the gospels came to be written, it had evolved into a body getting up and walking. Still with the holes in, too. I know doctrinally, Jesus should have a new, incorruptible body, but if a Jesus had turned up without a mark on his bod. well, for all they knew it Was the gardener.
That’s not the issue. Trans said we doing nothing but hope for Heaven, which is untrue.
Don't you hope for heaven? if you do, then you can't dismiss what i said, as easily as that. To clarify the point, any good that atheists may do is without any hope of reward. That's morality.
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Why do you believe that was Christianity that caused that?
I never said Christianity caused it. I said it existed while Christianity thrived. 500 years of very little progress, and then several more centuries to recover.
True. It's more like you're trying to buy your way into heaven with good deeds. They're not done just because they're the right thing to do. They're done so you get to where you wanna be.
Don't you hope for heaven? if you do, then you can't dismiss what i said, as easily as that. To clarify the point, any good atheists do is without any hope of reward. That's morality.
We can, jimmie. We can both do the same thing. That's the point.
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You are just repeating rote denial.
