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Old 12-15-2019, 11:33 AM
 
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Like so many conspiracy theories, we can speculate about them until the end of days, but ultimately the question for me remains the same. Do we have more than just speculation, as in evidence, that proves what happened and/or didn't? Also of course, it's not just the American government involved here. It's all the world where an encounter could occur anywhere on the planet. So far no evidence of any such encounter however. Anywhere...
Well, there are a few other countries, that are a bit more open about their 'UFO' reports.


There is also the former Canadian director of defense, Paul Hellyer, who claims there is a global effort to suppress this information (if anyone would know, it would be guys like this). He even made that statement when he was in front of Parliament, thats pretty brave!


Plus, that declassified CIA document I posted last week, the actual newspaper article was from Vienna in the early 1950s, and they mentioned 'secret research institutions', where they had learned details about the operation and inner workings of one of these craft, and you have to consider, when the NY Times broke that story of the secret Pentagon UFO study, it was years after it had taken place...so this is in itself is evidence there was an attempt to hide this project from the public...if there was truly nothing to it, why all the secrecy?


I realize its not rock solid proof, but it is evidence, there is 'something' going on in relation to this, and its on a global scale.

 
Old 12-15-2019, 11:43 AM
 
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Like so many conspiracy theories, we can speculate about them until the end of days, but ultimately the question for me remains the same. Do we have more than just speculation, as in evidence, that proves what happened and/or didn't? Also of course, it's not just the American government involved here. It's all the world where an encounter could occur anywhere on the planet. So far no evidence of any such encounter however. Anywhere...
not only that, unless they are using something else other than our matter, somebody in the states would have picked up the signals. And they won't hold it back.

I mean just look at something orbiting the planet. If it is coming towards you it looks like it is rising up from the ground. If we analyze it, lets say a video, it looks like it is traveling really fast straight up. Then it will suddenly slow down and look like its hovering. depending on the distance that is. And the report of no rockets launched makes us wonder.

again, something is there. Its just not what people think it is.
 
Old 12-15-2019, 11:47 AM
 
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Well, there are a few other countries, that are a bit more open about their 'UFO' reports.


There is also the former Canadian director of defense, Paul Hellyer, who claims there is a global effort to suppress this information (if anyone would know, it would be guys like this). He even made that statement when he was in front of Parliament, thats pretty brave!


Plus, that declassified CIA document I posted last week, the actual newspaper article was from Vienna in the early 1950s, and they mentioned 'secret research institutions', where they had learned details about the operation and inner workings of one of these craft, and you have to consider, when the NY Times broke that story of the secret Pentagon UFO study, it was years after it had taken place...so this is in itself is evidence there was an attempt to hide this project from the public...if there was truly nothing to it, why all the secrecy?


I realize its not rock solid proof, but it is evidence, there is 'something' going on in relation to this, and its on a global scale.
yeah, there are thousands of pieces of junk in orbit. There are any number of ways a camera will see things that don't act like anything we see. Just look at three lights on an airplane. Go into a dark room and rotate a tingle with the tips lit up. Fly it like an airplane and see how many times they, the three lights, don't act like anything you have ever seen.

now increase the size and distance.
 
Old 12-15-2019, 11:58 AM
 
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yeah, there are thousands of pieces of junk in orbit. There are any number of ways a camera will see things that don't act like anything we see. Just look at three lights on an airplane. Go into a dark room and rotate a tingle with the tips lit up. Fly it like an airplane and see how many times they, the three lights, don't act like anything you have ever seen.

now increase the size and distance.
I agree, many UFO reports are 'mis-identifications', especially when they are spotted from a distance or high altitude lights.


I dont even bother reading those kinds of reports anymore, I tend to look for the reports that include sightings where the craft is seen 500ft or less in altitude, I also look for reports made by people that are in the aircraft design industry or military and are very familiar with aircraft and flight...when people like this say they cannot explain or identify an aircraft, its pretty credible imo.
 
Old 12-16-2019, 11:18 AM
 
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Well, there are a few other countries, that are a bit more open about their 'UFO' reports.

There is also the former Canadian director of defense, Paul Hellyer, who claims there is a global effort to suppress this information (if anyone would know, it would be guys like this). He even made that statement when he was in front of Parliament, thats pretty brave!

Plus, that declassified CIA document I posted last week, the actual newspaper article was from Vienna in the early 1950s, and they mentioned 'secret research institutions', where they had learned details about the operation and inner workings of one of these craft, and you have to consider, when the NY Times broke that story of the secret Pentagon UFO study, it was years after it had taken place...so this is in itself is evidence there was an attempt to hide this project from the public...if there was truly nothing to it, why all the secrecy?

I realize its not rock solid proof, but it is evidence, there is 'something' going on in relation to this, and its on a global scale.
Having never heard of Hellyer and curious, I read a little about him to see if there is any particular reason to seriously consider his beliefs in light of all the rest. I found this...

In an interview with RT (formerly Russia Today) in 2014, Hellyer said that at least four species of aliens have been visiting Earth for thousands of years, with most of them coming from other star systems, although there are some living on Venus, Mars and Saturn’s moon. According to him, they "don't think we are good stewards of our planet."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hellyer

I'm sorry, but I just can't climb on this bus you seem to enjoy riding...
 
Old 12-16-2019, 11:23 AM
 
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not only that, unless they are using something else other than our matter, somebody in the states would have picked up the signals. And they won't hold it back.

I mean just look at something orbiting the planet. If it is coming towards you it looks like it is rising up from the ground. If we analyze it, lets say a video, it looks like it is traveling really fast straight up. Then it will suddenly slow down and look like its hovering. depending on the distance that is. And the report of no rockets launched makes us wonder.

again, something is there. Its just not what people think it is.
When I worked for one of the world's largest energy companies, in headquarters, there was often the conspiracy theory being circulated that energy companies like ours were suppressing technology that would allow cars to run on water. I remember well and it still goes on today with some, but none of them seem to consider how desperate Japan is to secure their energy supply and how they would have certainly put such technology to good use by now if it existed. Still not even a hint of any such technology actually in existence. Not all that different to the ongoing claims about contact with aliens. The evidence is just not there...

Why? Hard not to believe it's because the evidence simply doesn't exist!
 
Old 12-16-2019, 11:25 AM
 
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I agree, many UFO reports are 'mis-identifications', especially when they are spotted from a distance or high altitude lights.

I dont even bother reading those kinds of reports anymore, I tend to look for the reports that include sightings where the craft is seen 500ft or less in altitude, I also look for reports made by people that are in the aircraft design industry or military and are very familiar with aircraft and flight...when people like this say they cannot explain or identify an aircraft, its pretty credible imo.
Not sure if you have seen this that I shared in this forum at least once before, but if not, I think you might enjoy watching this. Or maybe not? Do tell...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T_jwq9ph8k
 
Old 12-16-2019, 12:32 PM
 
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Recently I saw a long & slightly triangular ufo in broad daylight. It had no wings or any way to remain in the air but it was just flying around at about a hundred yards up. There were bright coloured lights on it, & it was about 20 feet long. It was close but not close enough to get a good picture of it with my phone. And it was in the process of flying away from me when I spotted it. I watched it for about 15 seconds & then it went out of sight.

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Old 12-16-2019, 05:34 PM
 
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This video has some great accounts of ufo's & Aliens that seem legit.

“Odd UFO Encounters”
 
Old 12-16-2019, 11:21 PM
 
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Having never heard of Hellyer and curious, I read a little about him to see if there is any particular reason to seriously consider his beliefs in light of all the rest. I found this...

In an interview with RT (formerly Russia Today) in 2014, Hellyer said that at least four species of aliens have been visiting Earth for thousands of years, with most of them coming from other star systems, although there are some living on Venus, Mars and Saturn’s moon. According to him, they "don't think we are good stewards of our planet."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hellyer

I'm sorry, but I just can't climb on this bus you seem to enjoy riding...
Let me guess why....because it sounds so incredibly bizarre...right? What do you expect?... the 'truth' to sound just like you presume it should, not too 'wacky' and not too run of the mill..Is that about right?


Imo, the truth is probably MUCH more bizarre than anything we could dream up!



Keep in mind, if anyone was to know the truth, it would be guys like him, people in high ranking Govt/ military positions. Doesnt that seem strange to you, that a guy in that kind of position, would make such a public statement? ( surprisingly, his statement is similar to what other countries officials have said before too, basically, that an extraterrestrial race is secretly controlling our world)
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