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Old 01-30-2020, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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It opens our minds to ideas that often fall outside our comfort zone...and that can be a bad thing, but that can be a wonderful thing. That can be a mind-opening thing that changes the world for the better. It's a bit of a gamble...but if you're right, you've already won the gamble.

What we should be discouraging is people having incorrect views, in my opinion, more than anything else.
"incorrect views"

are you joking?
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Old 01-30-2020, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Missouri, USA
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No, I'm going by how my Christian friends define "Christian." I think that maybe the majority of Christians who post on this forum define "Christianity" the same way as the Christians I personally know. I've certainly yet to see either my friends or the Christians here suggest that Jews are outside of G-d's providence (as you have done). Truthfully, I think I can say that I have had less problems with Christians in my life than you seem to be having with Christians on this forum.

You wrote: "To be anti-Christianity is anti-God," and also "If one is anti-Jesus, then one is anti-God." You also defended Bailey Smith's statement: "God does not hear the prayers of a Jew." You wrote: "Do you realize the context of that?" and then proceeded to tell me how Jews pray to G-d.

You can keep on trying to deflect from what you wrote, but it's there. Those are your words.


On a side note...I see nothing more wrong with saying "God does not hear the prayers of a Jew" than I see with the majority of Christianity in general. To me, it's all mostly one big pot of toxicity, for the most part.

Now...if I say that, nobody cares online. I'd probably get a lot of dirty looks in public...but atheists pretty much own the internet, so far as I can tell.

What's the difference between my view that the vast majority of Christianity is toxic and the view that "God does not hear the prayers of a Jew?"

Is it not okay for me to say that most of Christianity is toxic? Because I think it is. There are costs to society to not doing so, so far as I can tell.

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Old 01-30-2020, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Missouri, USA
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"incorrect views"

are you joking?
What's funny about saying "we should discourage people from having incorrect views?"

I want to understand how anything I've stated has been anything less than highly intelligent in any way...because I think I've made nothing but good points. Let's throw down...lol.
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Old 01-30-2020, 11:59 AM
 
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On a side note...I see nothing more wrong with saying "God does not hear the prayers of a Jew" than I see with the majority of Christianity in general. To me, it's all mostly one big pot of toxicity, for the most part. Quakers, apparently, are an exception (Hi Quakerbaker.)

Now...if I say that, nobody cares online. I'd probably get a lot of dirty looks in public...but atheists pretty much own the internet, so far as I can tell.

What's the difference between my view that the vast majority of Christianity is toxic and the view that "God does not hear the prayers of a Jew?"

Is it not okay for me to say that most of Christianity is toxic? Because I think it is. There are costs to society to not doing so, so far as I can tell.
While both statements are distasteful, there is a difference between the two. You don't have to look too far back in history to see what the results have been from people asserting that Jews are outside of G-d's providence (as well as a lot of other things that have been asserted about Jews out of both ignorance and hatred).
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Old 01-30-2020, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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What's funny about saying "we should discourage people from having incorrect views?"

I want to understand how anything I've stated has been anything less than highly intelligent in any way...because I think I've made nothing but good points. Let's throw down...lol.
Who exactly decides what an "incorrect view" is?
Isn't that what causes all the dissension in this forum?
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Old 01-30-2020, 12:19 PM
 
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You wrote: "To be anti-Christianity is anti-God," and also "If one is anti-Jesus, then one is anti-God." You also defended Bailey Smith's statement: "God does not hear the prayers of a Jew." You wrote: "Do you realize the context of that?" and then proceeded to tell me how Jews pray to G-d.

You can keep on trying to deflect from what you wrote, but it's there. Those are your words.


Jesus is God. Are you anti-Jesus?
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Old 01-30-2020, 12:23 PM
 
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On a side note...I see nothing more wrong with saying "God does not hear the prayers of a Jew" than I see with the majority of Christianity in general. To me, it's all mostly one big pot of toxicity, for the most part.
Considering that on numerous occasions I've been told by people on this forum that God doesn't exist, that anyone that believes like me is primitive, old-fashioned, stupid, etc...

It's duplicitous to act offended at me stating that someone hating Christianity is anti-God. It really is.
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Old 01-30-2020, 12:42 PM
 
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Jesus is God. Are you anti-Jesus?
Are you trying to convert me?
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Old 01-30-2020, 12:50 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Jesus is God. Are you anti-Jesus?
Is believing Jesus was a gifted prophet, rather than a divinity, being "anti-Jesus"? If so, why?
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Old 01-30-2020, 12:58 PM
 
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Jesus is God. Are you anti-Jesus?
Perhaps in 'Christendom' (so-called Christian ) Jesus is God, but Jesus never taught that - John 10:36.
Even the resurrected ascended-to-heaven Jesus still thinks he has a God over him as per Revelation 3:12.
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