Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Several militant atheists on R&S have expressed something similar to this...
I'm interested to know how many atheists on R&S would convert to Christianity if they were somehow convinced it's true. Thoughts?
.
There's no veridical truth in your insistence the Bible god is the true God, New. Yours is just a garden-variety assertion like we regularly see from you and other fundies. There's no veridical truth in what I say either. It's just my belief based on my observations. My observation is that there IS a Higher Power based on the complexity of the human genome. But I also observe that your Bible god does not answer prayers and this Higher Intelligence I believe in doesn't answer prayer either. But this Being has to possess immense power to create the universe. Yet we witness the most vile horrors being perpetrated on the most vulnerable and innocent among us, namely little children, who must in some part of their being wonder why atrocities are being foisted on them continuously when they pray and pray for rescue. This to me is at the very core of why I insist this Higher Intelligence at best is cold and uncaring and at worst is pure evil.
1. I no longer believe in "a god".
2. I definitely don't believe in biblegod, but perhaps there is some other god that operates differently than the bible indicates, and who may be deistic.
3. I could be wrong, but none of the dimwitted christian posts I see on this forum are convincing me, and in fact, they push me further and further away from remaining open-minded about it.
1. That is your freewill right and it doesn't diminish you as a human being. Did you know that Jesus met people of other religions and he never condemned them, never argued theology, and he praised their good deeds to others. The people he criticized on religion were groups in his own religion that were harsh and imposing on others.
2. That is possible. Some historians say that much of the Old Testament was actually taken as figurative by people thousands of years ago and has since became more literal for some. If God truly gives us freewill, there has to be some level of deism at least partially, I would think.
3. Sure, I am a little bit dimwitted, I've been called "Jesus-girl" before, but the teachings of Jesus make sense to me. We are to love and serve our neighbors and by doing so we honor God. It is our duty to realize how precious life is and then seek to improve others' lives and ameliorate their sufferings. God created us all in his own image so therefore we are all different reflections of God with a divine spark, equal before God - so we must pursue equality here on earth.
1. That is your freewill right and it doesn't diminish you as a human being. Did you know that Jesus met people of other religions and he never condemned them, never argued theology, and he praised their good deeds to others. The people he criticized on religion were groups in his own religion that were harsh and imposing on others.
...
3. Sure, I am a little bit dimwitted, I've been called "Jesus-girl" before, but the teachings of Jesus make sense to me. We are to love and serve our neighbors and by doing so we honor God. It is our duty to realize how precious life is and then seek to improve others' lives and ameliorate their sufferings. God created us all in his own image so therefore we are all different reflections of God with a divine spark, equal before God - so we must pursue equality here on earth.
1. Then how to you justify proselytizing?
3. Actually, in your posts I find you to be something I like -- a thinking christian.
Well, I don't justify forcing anyone to be a certain kind of religion. That goes against God-given freewill and it goes against pacifism. I believe, Jesus wants me to honor the freewill of others and do so non-violently.
However, I think that Jesus is the embodiment of loving and serving your fellow humans. To me, to truly believe in Jesus is to believe in loving and serving others. True belief in morals is actions, not thoughts. With this definition I think anyone, even atheists can "believe" in Jesus, if not as the son of God, but as the positive actions of serving with love.
With that definition, I have no problem trying to make converts in a peacefully positive way.
Well, I don't justify forcing anyone to be a certain kind of religion. That goes against God-given freewill and it goes against pacifism. I believe, Jesus wants me to honor the freewill of others and do so non-violently.
However, I think that Jesus is the embodiment of loving and serving your fellow humans. To me, to truly believe in Jesus is to believe in loving and serving others. True belief in morals is actions, not thoughts. With this definition I think anyone, even atheists can "believe" in Jesus, if not as the son of God, but as the positive actions of serving with love.
With that definition, I have no problem trying to make converts in a peacefully positive way.
But that is disrespecting the belief systems of others.
As a Thai person I can choose to be loving and serve my fellow human beings. It has nothing to do with Jesus.
"I'm interested to know how many atheists on R&S would convert to Christianity if they were somehow convinced it's true. Thoughts?"
Quote:
Originally Posted by thrillobyte
There's no veridical truth in your insistence the Bible god is the true God, New. Yours is just a garden-variety assertion like we regularly see from you and other fundies. There's no veridical truth in what I say either. It's just my belief based on my observations. My observation is that there IS a Higher Power based on the complexity of the human genome. But I also observe that your Bible god does not answer prayers and this Higher Intelligence I believe in doesn't answer prayer either. But this Being has to possess immense power to create the universe. Yet we witness the most vile horrors being perpetrated on the most vulnerable and innocent among us, namely little children, who must in some part of their being wonder why atrocities are being foisted on them continuously when they pray and pray for rescue. This to me is at the very core of why I insist this Higher Intelligence at best is cold and uncaring and at worst is pure evil.
answer the question please.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
