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I would assume that the vast majority of atheists would find your last sentence to be VERY funny - but actually, it's a disgusting, insulting, demeaning, piece of crap - which you should be reprimanded for.
the point is John, most people end up sounding like their parents.
don't shoot the message, tell him where it is wrong.
While I would like to ask you how you can say it's not difficult to see that there's a Creator - that would be off topic.
So, why did you choose your particular path? OK, you say "God got me out of that and called me to faith in Jesus Christ" but why Jesus Christ in particular? Why not Muhammad for example?
Because God is love, which He showed through Jesus Christ.
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Just one problem with that. You first have to prove a creation. To put it simply, prove that the universe was created rather than it has always existed in some form or other.
I don't have to prove a creation, because it's evident from what's been created. By "creation" I don't just mean the existence of physical matter, but the organization and direction of such matter. A junkyard has a lot of materials in it, and a tornado has a lot of energy. Yet a tornado going through a junkyard does not assemble a 747. And life is a lot more complex than a 747.
i'm from an entirely atheist family & background. Absolutely nobody ever mentions religion or God till this day. Yet all my life since I was a tiny child The Angel of God has taken me to different levels of Heaven to teach me about Spiritual things of God. The Angel of God wanted to educate me about what reality actually is. So for that reason I am a believer in God & I know God is true. And thousands of times at the end of each spiritual lesson God would show me the future events that will be happening the next day or so. And those events always happen exactly as God showed me they would. That was God's way of proving to me that the spiritual lessons were real & not some kind of dream.
And God taught me far more than religion teaches. Religion is a simplified version of God designed for the masses. When you actually meet God & start spending all your time with God you find that God is much more than what religion describes. And also words become corrupted so that the things written in scriptures are not always entirely precise & accurate, & so they can be misleading. Just one word being altered somewhere in a sentence can completely alter the meaning of the entire book. I've witnessed that with the different versions of The Bible. So I know that no two Bibles say the same thing & so one can be misled if one fails to meet God in person & relies solely on the book to teach one about God.
I don't own a Bible or go to any church, & I don't believe any religion is telling folk the facts about God. So I am not religious at all even though I meet God frequently to this day.
Today God took me to Eden with its Tree of Life & serpents, & made me walk around in its paradise with Jesus. We went to see God's Wife at one point. Then God led me far out of Eden to the earth world which was at the lowest level of the lands. It was all so magnificent & I could feel every blade of grass on my feet as we walked, & feel the magnificent atmosphere around me.
So I know God exists even though I am from an atheist background
i'm from an entirely atheist family & background. Absolutely nobody ever mentions religion or God till this day. Yet all my life since I was a tiny child The Angel of God has taken me to different levels of Heaven to teach me about Spiritual things of God. The Angel of God wanted to educate me about what reality actually is. So for that reason I am a believer in God & I know God is true. And thousands of times at the end of each spiritual lesson God would show me the future events that will be happening the next day or so. And those events always happen exactly as God showed me they would. That was God's way of proving to me that the spiritual lessons were real & not some kind of dream.
And God taught me far more than religion teaches. Religion is a simplified version of God designed for the masses. When you actually meet God & start spending all your time with God you find that God is much more than what religion describes. And also words become corrupted so that the things written in scriptures are not always entirely precise & accurate, & so they can be misleading. Just one word being altered somewhere in a sentence can completely alter the meaning of the entire book. I've witnessed that with the different versions of The Bible. So I know that no two Bibles say the same thing & so one can be mislead if one fails to meet God in person & relies solely on the book to teach one about God.
I don't own a Bible or go to any church, & I don't believe any religion is telling folk the facts about God. So I am not religious at all even though I meet God frequently to this day.
Today God took me to Eden with its Tree of Life & serpents, & made me walk around in its paradise with Jesus. We went to see God's Wife at one point. Then God led me far out of Eden to the earth world which was at the lowest level of the lands. It was all so magnificent & I could feel every blade of grass on my feet as we walked, & feel the magnificent atmosphere around me.
So I know God exists even though I am from an atheist background
exactly. my family is strong catholic and they know I am atheist. We talk, buts its never about religion bashing. Its about evidence for a god thing.
but of course, my family is the type that understands its not the religions fault. They want at those priest in a bad way and they want to know who is going to put them in jail for addressing it and why?
I would assume that the vast majority of atheists would find your last sentence to be VERY funny - but actually, it's a disgusting, insulting, demeaning, piece of crap - which you should be reprimanded for.
Here is a map of majority religious concentrations around the world. Notice that the concentrations tend to overwhelmingly occur in distinct regions of the world. The reason these concentrations occur in this pattern is because the mommies and daddies in these regions of the world taught their children to believe in the religious beliefs of their parents when the children were widdle.
People are often reprimanded, or worse, when they do not adhere to the indoctrination of their childhood. But, as it sometimes turns out, some people outgrow their childhood indoctrination and have thoughts of their own. And others remain childlike their entire lives.
Here is a map of majority religious concentrations around the world. Notice that the concentrations tend to overwhelmingly occur in distinct regions of the world. The reason these concentrations occur in this pattern is because the mommies and daddies in these regions of the world taught their children to believe in the religious beliefs of their parents when the children were widdle.
People are often reprimanded, or worse, when they do not adhere to the indoctrination of their childhood. But, as it sometimes turns out, some people outgrow their childhood indoctrination and have thoughts of their own. And others remain childlike their entire lives.
It isn't particularly difficult to identify the fallacious argument here. We could have a similar map produced that shows distinct regions in which democracies exist, oligarchies, and theocracies around the world. Using the illogic presented in this argument, I would assert that Tired of Nonsense or others here believe in democracy only because they grew up in a democracy and the agents that socialized them believed in democracy as the best system. Therefore, Tired of Nonsense is not a thinking person and "childlike."
It's a dumb argument. One of many that commonly get posted here by atheists. Someone actually broke out the "extraordinary claims require extraordinary explanations" fallacy the other day. Oh Hitch...what you wrought!
I suppose agnostic fits me now. A supreme being that created the universe is unknowable from the human perspective. It can't be proven or disproven. On a much smaller scale, other entities are possible, with and without intelligence. An ecosystem of supernatural entities could influence our known world. What humans can observe and understand about energy and matter is less than what they are.
It isn't particularly difficult to identify the fallacious argument here.
OK, which fallacy are you going to use?
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We could have a similar map produced that shows distinct regions in which democracies exist, oligarchies, and theocracies around the world. Using the illogic presented in this argument, I would assert that Tired of Nonsense or others here believe in democracy only because they grew up in a democracy and the agents that socialized them believed in democracy as the best system. Therefore, Tired of Nonsense is not a thinking person and "childlike."
OK, the false analogy. Styles of government are different to choices in religion.
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It's a dumb argument. One of many that commonly get posted here by atheists. Someone actually broke out the "extraordinary claims require extraordinary explanations" fallacy the other day. Oh Hitch...what you wrought!
Which you 'refuted' by misrepresenting ordinary claims such as lighting strikes as extraordinary, and not talking about extraordinary claims such as fried fish getting resurrected . You also confused the probability of ordinary claims occurring (for which we have prior knowledge) with Bayesian reasoning about extraordinary claims with no priors.
I did note you ignored the explanation, and pretending it was not refuted does you no credit.
Lightning hits people occasionally, therefore claims such as fried fish getting resurrected does not need extraordinary evidence.
We make dumb arguments because you do not know what you are talking about is ironically a dumb argument.
Yes. I definitely WAS for the first 30+ years of my life, but not since then.
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OK, which fallacy are you going to use?
OK, the false analogy. Styles of government are different to choices in religion.
Which you 'refuted' by misrepresenting ordinary claims such as lighting strikes as extraordinary, and not talking about extraordinary claims such as fried fish getting resurrected . You also confused the probability of ordinary claims occurring (for which we have prior knowledge) with Bayesian reasoning about extraordinary claims with no priors.
I did note you ignored the explanation, and pretending it was not refuted does you no credit.
Lightning hits people occasionally, therefore claims such as fried fish getting resurrected does not need extraordinary evidence.
We make dumb arguments because you do not know what you are talking about is ironically a dumb argument.
Well, my attempt to get the thread back on topic was an epic fail!
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Any former Atheists on here?
. You also confused the probability of ordinary claims occurring (for which we have prior knowledge) with Bayesian reasoning about extraordinary claims with no priors.
