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That was also my first thought, on seeing the title. And the first image that popped into my head was the hapless chief inspector in Pink Panther, repeating Emile Coue's affirmation.... "Every day, in every way, I'm getting better and better!"
The no-boundary quantum cosmology model. Look it up. This is one model that matches to what we observe. Do you have any models that support your theistic view?
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so making up anything we want is better?
so you are actually ok with "we don't know what started it... os that means a super powered deity thing must of done it?"
as in making up imaginary values for time to 'make the math work'?
Neither explains the origins of the universe, period.
The Big Bang model explains the very early stages of the current state of the universe, and the resulting factors that reveal themselves in observations of the present and past (looking further away is looking further back). With minor disagreements among physicists and cosmologists, there is one theory of the universe since its beginnings. With theists, there are any number of 'ideas', many completely at odds with the rest. That alone speaks volumes of the scientific approach and the 'my favorite myth' approach.
To suggest the debate is between theism and naturalism is to create a false dichotomy. The real debate is between intelligent design and philosophical naturalism.
This is why those wedded to the increasingly creaky naturalistic paradigm are so vehemently opposed to the Intelligent Design movement. The ID movement is not wedded to any particular theistic paradigm and confronts naturalism on it own terms: hard science. The ID movement is anything but a "my favorite myth" approach.
Consistently, and virtually without exception, those who dismiss the ID movement are (1) unfamiliar with the increasingly vast body of serious scientific work across all scientific disciplines supporting ID, and (2) philosophically wedded to the naturalistic paradigm and committed to defending it with the very sort of quasi-religious zealotry that Thomas Kuhn described decades ago in The Structure of Scientific Revolutions.
An acceptance of intelligent design as the most plausible explanation for the origin of the universe and of life within the universe invites speculation as to who the designer may have been. A god of the sort Christianity posits is one candidate, but by no means the only one.
To suggest the debate is between theism and naturalism is to create a false dichotomy. The real debate is between intelligent design and philosophical naturalism.
This is why those wedded to the increasingly creaky naturalistic paradigm are so vehemently opposed to the Intelligent Design movement. The ID movement is not wedded to any particular theistic paradigm and confronts naturalism on it own terms: hard science. The ID movement is anything but a "my favorite myth" approach.
Consistently, and virtually without exception, those who dismiss the ID movement are (1) unfamiliar with the increasingly vast body of serious scientific work across all scientific disciplines supporting ID, and (2) philosophically wedded to the naturalistic paradigm and committed to defending it with the very sort of quasi-religious zealotry that Thomas Kuhn described decades ago in The Structure of Scientific Revolutions.
An acceptance of intelligent design as the most plausible explanation for the origin of the universe and of life within the universe invites speculation as to who the designer may have been. A god of the sort Christianity posits is one candidate, but by no means the only one.
Is there a theory of how intelligent design works? I have never seen any strong arguments for it.
To suggest the debate is between theism and naturalism is to create a false dichotomy. The real debate is between intelligent design and philosophical naturalism.
This is why those wedded to the increasingly creaky naturalistic paradigm are so vehemently opposed to the Intelligent Design movement. The ID movement is not wedded to any particular theistic paradigm and confronts naturalism on it own terms: hard science. The ID movement is anything but a "my favorite myth" approach.
Consistently, and virtually without exception, those who dismiss the ID movement are (1) unfamiliar with the increasingly vast body of serious scientific work across all scientific disciplines supporting ID, and (2) philosophically wedded to the naturalistic paradigm and committed to defending it with the very sort of quasi-religious zealotry that Thomas Kuhn described decades ago in The Structure of Scientific Revolutions.
An acceptance of intelligent design as the most plausible explanation for the origin of the universe and of life within the universe invites speculation as to who the designer may have been. A god of the sort Christianity posits is one candidate, but by no means the only one.
That at least gets past the debatable claims of I/D, First Cause and a 'Creator' to the heart of the matter it doesn't help any particular religion.
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Not sure what you mean by this.
I know what it means and what Arach wants it to mean:
A god can arguably be a hing in a the sense of a being, made of something and working according to physical laws. In other words 'natural'. Or one can posit a being of nothing that conforms to no physical laws, and anyone is welcome to believe in it, if they want to.
Arach rather means a being that is made of something (perhaps everything) and works according to physical laws. In other words, e Existence that is the reason we are here. This is 'God' enough to disrdit atheism, and that's what h wants. For a long time he has been trying to peddle a 'God' that he can believe in, cribbed from Mystic's theory, but topped and tailed to stop it being too theistic.
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That was also my first thought, on seeing the title. And the first image that popped into my head was the hapless chief inspector in Pink Panther, repeating Emile Coue's affirmation.... "Every day, in every way, I'm getting better and better!"
